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    Posted: 21 Sep 2006 at 3:49pm
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Right. I see.

(Just BTW, it's not my estimate, it is the estimate of the Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments.)

So, NoSUV, are you planning on paying the toll or riding the bus?
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Using some rough calculations and the Joint Travel Regs:

If 30 mile commute, and 3 people per vehicle, and $.445 reimbursement per mile, then cost per person is $4.45.

Compare with Sponge's estimated toll cost of $38, or the cost of a bus ride of $3.80.

Toll roads are the solution. Pay the toll or get on the bus. Most will take the bus, and the cost is less than if slugs were paying their fair (fare) share.
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I think he means his feelings are hurt that slugs don't pay cash. I think he means that SOV hybrid is OK, HOV regular car is not, but HOV bus or locomotive is OK. And, I think he means we all should buy his brand of car, a perpetual motion machine that violates the second law of thermodynamics (I know, that's redundant).
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Can someone explain what he means?
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So, the solution to having to pay a toll is to take the bus? Are you saying that taking 10 cars off of the express lanes is bad? For a cost that, if in a REAL carpool, would have to paid anyway?
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Right now, $3.80 vs. free to carpool.

Any more stupid questions?
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What's the toll for taking the bus?
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That is why they have added all those new exits/entrances. It becomes possible for a driver to slip out of the regular lanes into the carpool lanes to get around bottlenecks, in Fluor's vision.

One new N-bound entrance in the plans is around Glebe, I think. Or closer in.

Anyway, imagine all the thousands of people in Arlandria getting on the toll road to cross the river. How high would you have to set the toll for that section to keep those people from totally congesting the lanes?

Dynamic tolling is the worst, least public-minded of all toll roads, since instead of it being budgeted for everyone to use (like the moderate toll on the Chesapeak Bypass to the OBX) it is designed from the beginning to force poor people off the toll lanes.

There is simply no other way to look at it.
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Agreed, but you're looking at it from the point of a consumer.

From the point of the vendor, all they will want to do is utilize the capacity they have. They don't care about what it does for traffic flow outside the toll lanes. They just need to maximize cash flow in the toll lanes.

Look back at your couple responses. You're responding from the standpoint of the drivers. The toll road vendors could care less about congestion in the main lanes....except that it MAY drive business their way.

Note: I'm not taking any sides here. I'm just pointing out what the perspective of the vendor. The more packed the main lanes are, the better for business.

Oh, and the better for PERCEIVED customer satisfaction for those silly enough to drive 95/395 on the weekends.

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