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Luddite
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Posted: 31 Mar 2006 at 12:01pm |
Karmapolice,
You said, "I leave Horner Road around 7:30 in the morning and have yet to experience any delays in traffic." Your comment is absurd. Please go away. |
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MDC
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It must be nice to head home at 3:30. By 4:30PM on most days the traffic is nothing like you describe. You'd have to drive on the shoulder if you wanted to go at or above the speed limit.
Nobody said that the end of morning HOV, or beginning of afternoon HOV is crowded. If you get on HOV anywhere between 5AM and 8AM, you're lucky to go the speed limit anywhere on I-95's HOV. I almost never get above 65, and feel lucky when I do get to 65MPH in the afternoon but it's rarely before I'm almost out of Fairfax county. |
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NoSUV
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MDC: Actually, express lanes are underutilized because of the lack of vehicle using them. I still have to slow down to get to the speed limit, and numerous times (PM beginning of HOV hours) there are no cars for 1/4 mile!
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MDC
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If HOV is underutilized, it's because the excessive number of SOVs is reducing it's efficiency at moving people.
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NoSUV
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To jump on NoSB's comment, another way to look at it is if the regular lanes moved at the posted speed limit, would they be able to move the same number of people as the express lanes over the same time? If yes, build more capacity. Also, you could provide better public transportation and then make it the only time effective transportation method - sort of like the NYC area. In this area, though, 2 out of 3 people in the express lanes travel for free, so any alternative affects their pocket book. The only short term solution to the mess is to charge everyone who wants to pay for traveling faster, and that means tolls.
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N_or_S_bound
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karma,
IF you're really going to explore this, make sure you level the playing field in when trying to compare the apple to the orange. Realize the HOV is meant to move the most people in the shortest amount of time. The mainlanes aren't. A vehicle-to-vehicle comparison isn't completely valid. Numbers of people versus time is a more adequate metric. Remove the incentive from HOV and will you really accomplish the goal of more people in less time? NoSb SOV because you can, HOV because you care! |
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NoSUV
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quote: There have been studies, but as you might expect, some studies have a bias in one direction, and some in the other. Recommend you look at postings by Robert Lang or Dick Boyd - they have explored this topic previously, and both offer their email addresses if you want to contact them directly. Most on this site offer opinions or observed "facts." Most also see things through their point of view - biased, narrow minded, and unlikely to withstand empirical data review. I also do not see the express lane congestion that you do not see, but I only use I-395. At the same time, I see tremendous congestion in the regular lanes during HOV hours. However, some will say that just because express lanes move above the speed limit and regular lanes crawl, that still doesn't mean that the express lanes are under utilized because additional vehicles will put them at a "tipping point" and they will no longer be able to travel at high speeds. Interesting that other areas with similar populations don't have near the congestion, nor do those areas have lanes dedicated to just HOV. |
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Bob
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A friend of mine from Texas said that New York is a failed social engineering experiment.
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karmapolice
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"If you go between Woodbridge, and DC... You know the answer."
No, I don't. I leave Horner Road around 7:30 in the morning and have yet to experience any delays in traffic. Maybe he's right and I'm too emotionally tied to this to see the truth. Do you know of any good sold articles that talk about the effectiveness of the HOV. Is it being used to it's max limit? |
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MDC
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If you go between Woodbridge, and DC... You know the answer.
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