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NoSUV
Advanced Member

1076 Posts

Posted - 09/07/2006 :  08:38:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
MDC - the total miles are EXACTLY relevant. That's why there's the incentive with the exemption!

Of course, the math might be too much for you and raymond. Try to get it right, though, will you? If you need help, just provide the raw data and I'm sure someone can do the math for you.
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slugjo
Junior Member

29 Posts

Posted - 09/07/2006 :  11:05:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The last Toyota salesman I talked to wouldn't listen either. I had to simply terminate the futile conversation and walk out. (Just for the record, it wasn't about hybrids, but about whether I was going to buy a pickup truck. I like hybrids, I just can't stand obstinate salesmen.)
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632 Posts

Posted - 09/08/2006 :  12:29:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The total miles are relevant? How? Do hybrids get other exemptions that I haven't heard about? Since we are comparing commuting miles, and debating the hybrid HOV exemption, why would any miles driven outside of the HOVs be relevant?

I have posted my opinion on hybrid hate several times, and suggest that if there were no hybrid exemption, people would not resent hybrids. If hybrid owners were held to the same laws that all other commuters are, we would all be one big, happy commuting family sharing the HOV lanes. The ONLY miles relevant to this conversation, or to any debate regarding SOV hybrids in the HOV lanes are the miles driven in the HOV lanes.
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NoSUV
Advanced Member

1076 Posts

Posted - 09/11/2006 :  07:43:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
raymond = actually, you are wrong on hybrid incentives, but no one accused you of rational thought. The reason for exemption in the express lanes is to encourage purchase of Clean Special Fuel Vehicles, especially SULEV. The reason for the exemption IS NOT for people to bypass HOV restrictions, but to promote less damage to the environment for 100% of the miles.

So, yes, you must redo your calculations for ALL of the PMPG miles used by your vehicle - and mine - to properly conduct the cost/benefit analysis.
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twothreefour
Starting Member

4 Posts

Posted - 09/11/2006 :  11:53:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[i]Originally posted by NoSUV[/i]
So, yes, you must redo your calculations for ALL of the PMPG miles used by your vehicle - and mine - to properly conduct the cost/benefit analysis.



And shouldn't we be accounting for size of cars too...since SOV opponents complain hybrids are taking up too much space in the express lanes? If I have 2 in my hybrid, shouldn't a SUV twice the lenth have to carry 4 passengers to use the lanes most efficiently and ease congestion.

The hybrid exemption is just another economic tool to get individuals to behave the way lawmakers believe is best for society as a whole. It will always be "unfair" as long as some follow the carrot dangled in front of them and others do not.
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632 Posts

Posted - 09/11/2006 :  13:59:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
uhhh, since my non-commute driving usually involves taxi-ing the kids around, I rarely drive alone, so my PMPGs will stay in the 50-75 range. How about you, NoSUV?
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NoSUV
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1076 Posts

Posted - 09/11/2006 :  14:10:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
raymond - you take your kids to the commuter lot? Wow! Talk about dedication!
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Posted - 09/13/2006 :  13:18:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well NoSUV, Since you have shirked away from answering my questions so many times, I am not surprised that you avoided answering this one. So the point stands uncontested that my little 'ole Nissan trumps your "high-bred" in the PMPG department since I'm sure that no one can stand to ride in the same car with someone as arrogant as you.

Wait, now I get it: since you commute from LR Turnpike to the Navy Yard you don't use the HOV lanes (as you said previously, you would have to backtrack). WOW, now I know why you are so bitter! You can't compare HOV commuting miles because all you miles are outside the HOV lanes. YOU ARE STUCK IN THE REGULAR LANES WHILE WE FLY BY IN THE HOVs! HA! HA! (Ooops, sorry, I shouldn't laugh)

This really puts your rants into perspective. You poor bitter soul. You are angry and hurt that HOV commuters have access to a convenience that you do not. You are lashing out at us, you want to punish us (by supporting HOT) for using a system that was designed without you in mind. That is sad, just plain pitiful! Now I don't feel animosity, I feel pity for you!
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NoSUV
Advanced Member

1076 Posts

Posted - 09/13/2006 :  14:50:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
raymond - actually, I was pointing out that you clearly are not telling the truth. You DO NOT have others in your car for 100% of your miles; in fact, it is probable that >75% of your annual mileage is SOV. Similarly, it is also probable that my non-commuting miles have as much HOV as you.

I find it hard to believe that you don't know the entries into the express lanes. Well, most in the area probably know them, but you are clearly "exceptional."
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632 Posts

Posted - 09/13/2006 :  15:01:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks, I feel exceptional!
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OneLessHybrid
Starting Member

2 Posts

Posted - 05/19/2009 :  15:25:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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How's that for striking back at those smug little hybrid owners? Ha! Get your lawnmower out of my way!

-Clint (onelesshybrid.com)
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OneLessHybrid
Starting Member

2 Posts

Posted - 05/19/2009 :  15:32:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by OneLessHybrid

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<img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FZghf9F4emE/ShG6UwiyXTI/AAAAAAAAAJg/smFK5f1rGZU/s400/IMG00067.jpg"></html>

How's that for striking back at those smug little hybrid owners? Ha! Get your lawnmower out of my way!

-Clint (onelesshybrid.com)


crap. would have helped if i got that code correct.
oh well.
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-Clint (onelesshybrid.com)
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danny_slug33
Starting Member

USA
1 Posts

Posted - 02/08/2017 :  10:36:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi I'm big fan of fast cars and I'm new to
http://vasnas.nu/ cars subject. Is anyone can tell me is it good idea to change my car to hybrid one? Is it true that Hybrid cars gets better gas mileage in bumper to bumper traffic then normal one?

Danny Wain

Edited by - danny_slug33 on 03/16/2017 06:37:28
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scottt
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413 Posts

Posted - 03/16/2017 :  09:27:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gotta love the spammers
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