e-Vite is not a democratic Vote for Hornor Road

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   The Recent e-vite organized by Denny Palmer is not a fair democratic vote.  It merely invites you to a non-existant event.  If you reply "Yes" to attend that means you are actually voting to split out L'Enfant with Navy Yard from the 14th line.  If you decline the invitation to attend the event then you are voting NO to the split.  The actual invitation itself does not explain that you are casting a vote with no other alternatives.  I miscast my "vote" thinking I would be attending an actual event where there would be some choice.  This is not a democratic vote.  It gives the L'Enfant riders no voice as to whether they want to be grouped with the Navy Yard or Not.  That is not democratic.  Who determined that all L'Enfant riders must be grouped with Navy Yard?  If there is to be a "vote" then set one up that provides actual choice and doesn't predetermine only two possible outcomes...

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GeorgeML Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote GeorgeML Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: e-Vite is not a democratic Vote for Hornor Road Posted: 23 Jan 2011 at 10:11pm
	The Recent e-vite organized by Denny Palmer is not a fair democratic vote. It merely invites you to a non-existant event. If you reply "Yes" to attend that means you are actually voting to split out L'Enfant with Navy Yard from the 14th line. If you decline the invitation to attend the event then you are voting NO to the split. The actual invitation itself does not explain that you are casting a vote with no other alternatives. I miscast my "vote" thinking I would be attending an actual event where there would be some choice. This is not a democratic vote. It gives the L'Enfant riders no voice as to whether they want to be grouped with the Navy Yard or Not. That is not democratic. Who determined that all L'Enfant riders must be grouped with Navy Yard? If there is to be a "vote" then set one up that provides actual choice and doesn't predetermine only two possible outcomes...

PDenny Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 10 Dec 2010 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote PDenny Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 9:57am
	George if you are going to call someone out please have your facts straight first. From the time the line was merged back together on Dec 6th there have been 35 posts, some for and some against. As I stated the e-vite was created as a vehicle to put to rest whether or not to split the lines. That's all. No one else was coming up with a possible solution. Whoever created the split in early Dec originally had it as (line #1 (14th), line #2 L'E/WNY). I did not change that. All I recommended was to move one of the lines to a safer location; a sidewalk. As for my misleading anyone, you need to reread the e-vite that clearly states This evite is being used to cast a vote to split the slug-line (14th/L'Enfant/Navy Yard). The proposed split will be for 14th Street riders/drivers (r/d) to use the section of the main road west of the 18th street location (same side of the street, other side of entrance to parking lot. The L'Enfant/Navy Yard will remain at the current location. Coming in from Telegraph road, it would then be parking lot entrance, 14th, parking lot entrance, 18th, Bus stops, parking lot entrance, L'Enfant/Navy Yard. A yes "I'm attending" is a vote for the split as proposed. A no "I'm not attending" is a vote to keep the line the way it is. I NEVER once claimed that a yes vote would take you to an actual event that you could make some other vote. If you had some other better way of trying to find closure with this then why didn't you step up? There were 43 days that passed from the time the lines were merged back together to the time the e-vite was created. One Jan 13th (38 days from the remerge) someone ask �if anyone was working on a plan�. Remember one thing there is no perfect solution to this issue of success we have with slugging. Leave the line together as it is and some will complain. Separate the lines and some will complain. Heck I wasn�t sure how to group Independence riders and drivers. What seemed to make sense is to keep them with 14th St since a driver can pick up a 14th only rider or an actual Independence rider. Again there is not a one solution fits all with this issue. At least by having this e-vite vote, to date 42 people (39 in favor / 9 against) have been able to have some kind of say with 26 more left to weigh in. That sir is democracy by definition: social equality. Now that I've had a chance to defend myself, what would you suggest to solve the problem since it appears we have one with this line? Its one thing to complain it's another thing to attempt to fix....

GeorgeML Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote GeorgeML Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 8:59pm
	My point is if you are going to have a vote-- then capture the options that were presented in various posts to the Blog. To merely restate the issue as origionally imposed is not a proper vote giving people a choice of what they may want.

ejones Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Feb 2011 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote ejones Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Feb 2011 at 10:01am
	quote: Originally posted by PDenny George if you are going to call someone out please have your facts straight first. From the time the line was merged back together on Dec 6th there have been 35 posts, some for and some against. As I stated the e-vite was created as a vehicle to put to rest whether or not to split the lines. That's all. No one else was coming up with a possible solution. Whoever created the split in early Dec originally had it as (line #1 (14th), line #2 L'E/WNY). I did not change that. All I recommended was to move one of the lines to a safer location; a sidewalk. As for my misleading anyone, you need to reread the e-vite that clearly states This evite is being used to cast a vote to split the slug-line (14th/L'Enfant/Navy Yard). The proposed split will be for 14th Street riders/drivers (r/d) to use the section of the main road west of the 18th street location (same side of the street, other side of entrance to parking lot. The L'Enfant/Navy Yard will remain at the current location. Coming in from Telegraph road, it would then be parking lot entrance, 14th, parking lot entrance, 18th, Bus stops, parking lot entrance, L'Enfant/Navy Yard. A yes "I'm attending" is a vote for the split as proposed. A no "I'm not attending" is a vote to keep the line the way it is. I NEVER once claimed that a yes vote would take you to an actual event that you could make some other vote. If you had some other better way of trying to find closure with this then why didn't you step up? There were 43 days that passed from the time the lines were merged back together to the time the e-vite was created. One Jan 13th (38 days from the remerge) someone ask �if anyone was working on a plan�. Remember one thing there is no perfect solution to this issue of success we have with slugging. Leave the line together as it is and some will complain. Separate the lines and some will complain. Heck I wasn�t sure how to group Independence riders and drivers. What seemed to make sense is to keep them with 14th St since a driver can pick up a 14th only rider or an actual Independence rider. Again there is not a one solution fits all with this issue. At least by having this e-vite vote, to date 42 people (39 in favor / 9 against) have been able to have some kind of say with 26 more left to weigh in. That sir is democracy by definition: social equality. Now that I've had a chance to defend myself, what would you suggest to solve the problem since it appears we have one with this line? Its one thing to complain it's another thing to attempt to fix....

ejones Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Feb 2011 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote ejones Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Feb 2011 at 10:23am
	With the Potomac Mills issue happenings today, we really need to split the 14th/L'Enfant/Navy Yard slug line. This moring line was so long that I couldn't hear what location was being called out in front of the line and one of the the callers was actually yelling so lowed that I think she will probably get a sore throat. If you look at all the lines at Horner, this line to DC is the longest line. Today is Monday and it was terrible. I can only imagine what tomorrow will bring. I got there 10 minutes earlier thinking that I would get to work earlier but I got to work at my regular time. With the line being combined with folks from Potomac Mills, it's time again to form separate lines. Does anyone have any information on new lines forming at Horner Rd? If so, I'd really appreciate any information on the subject. Thanks. This is a great website and new information should be posted on the homepage so folks are aware of new things going on. Just a suggestion. Thank you.