Horner Road - Splitting 14th and 18th Streets
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Topic: Horner Road - Splitting 14th and 18th Streets
Posted By: pb1974
Subject: Horner Road - Splitting 14th and 18th Streets
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2004 at 8:55am
This has been discussed a bit before, but this morning's experience has cemented (in my mind) that the DC destinations at Horner need to be split up between 14th and 18th. This morning nearly all the riders were 14th and all the drivers were 18th. The cars going to 18th (that no one was getting into) backed up and prevented people from getting to the few 14th cars (yes, we have the additional problem of a backwards line).
For those of you who are familiar with Horner, do you have any suggestions as to how the lines can be split? I've thought about it, but am having difficulty coming up with something workable.
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Posted By: glacier
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2004 at 11:48am
The Horner road splitting of Pent/cc/RS has worked well for many of the single-destination slugs. We had the same problem of backed-up cars and other friction problems. It wasted a lot of time, but the situation is much better now for many of us.
Cheers,
Glacier
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Posted By: Hopeful
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2004 at 10:13pm
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This morning nearly all the riders were 14th and all the drivers were 18th.
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Is that always the case, or does it vary from day-to day? What do you do if there are not enough cars going to where you need to go?
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Posted By: pb1974
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2004 at 8:19am
Hi Hopeful. It varies. Sometimes it's completely opposite. If no one is going to where you need to go, you just wait. Maybe some people can switch, if they don't mind walking 4 or more blocks. But I work on 10th and there's no way I'm walking 8 blocks...4 is enough. So you just hold out and hope someone will show up (and they will...it just takes a good while some days).
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Originally posted by Hopeful
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This morning nearly all the riders were 14th and all the drivers were 18th.
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Is that always the case, or does it vary from day-to day? What do you do if there are not enough cars going to where you need to go?
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Posted By: horner buddy
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2004 at 1:59pm
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Originally posted by pb1974
[br]This has been discussed a bit before, but this morning's experience has cemented (in my mind) that the DC destinations at Horner need to be split up between 14th and 18th. This morning nearly all the riders were 14th and all the drivers were 18th. The cars going to 18th (that no one was getting into) backed up and prevented people from getting to the few 14th cars (yes, we have the additional problem of a backwards line).
For those of you who are familiar with Horner, do you have any suggestions as to how the lines can be split? I've thought about it, but am having difficulty coming up with something workable.
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Posted By: pb1974
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2004 at 9:14am
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Can *anyone* think of a way to split the 14th and 18th lines?? Because of the bus strike, this morning the line was so long it formed a U. Something has GOT to be done.
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Posted By: Fite
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2004 at 10:00am
I was just complaining about this to a guy in my office who also slugs from Horner. I have an idea but nobody will do it because 1- it may just work and 2- the 18th people may have to stand in the parking lot [:(] (cry me a river). Any way here is my idea.
www.bahafite.com/Slug.jpg Go here to see a illustration of what I mean.
Make the starting point the pattern on the road before the bus stop and make 3 lines. 1st - Lafant/Navy Yard by the curb since there are 2 places to go and the can go right out. 2nd - 14th, and 3rd - 18th. Whoever is by the curb is the next to get a ride, just like at an amusment park. This way it is obviouse who is next and where they are going. I go to 18th and will have no problem standing off the curb in the parking lot. Plus nobody parks there for a while anyway.
Or my other idea is have color cards for each place. When a place is called if you go there raise up you card and you can tell who is next and how many are before you. But heres the hard part........you will have to pay attention. Any way sorry for the sarcasm but its getting to be a giant C.F. there.
Ok I just realized this has nothing to do with the length of the car line. Well almost every morning I look around the lot to try and find a good spot to have cars go to pick up 18th riders or whoever. One spot would be right behind the line in the parking lot. Past that I really haven't been able to see a decent sized place to do this. I would still like to see my idea up top to happen to resolve the "HEY I WAS NEXT BUSTER" problem.
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Posted By: pb1974
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2004 at 12:26pm
Thanks for taking the time to do the illustration, Fite. I also agree that the car lines need to be separated as well. I was wondering if that 3rd lot could be utilized somehow (I can't remember if there's a way for cars coming in from Telegraph to get into that lot). If so, that could at least allow us to separate the lines into two.
I like your card idea, but I don't think it would work. It's too civilized :), and of course you'd have people losing their card, forgetting them, not wanting to use them, etc. Hopefully having shorter lines where people could more easily see who is going where could alleviate the line-cutting issue.
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Posted By: tulipgirl67
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2004 at 2:54pm
When the cars no one wants are blocking the front of the line, why don't you guys just "walk the line" until you reach a car going to your destination instead of standing there waiting for the line to come to you?
Standing there (regardless of whether you really need two separate lines for 14th & 18th) just kills the whole idea behind slugging--effiency.
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Posted By: pb1974
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2004 at 10:16pm
Do you slug from Horner? What you propose is easier said than done. Some people just don't want to walk. I don't know why, but they don't. This morning the people in the middle of the line decided to walk, and the people at the front had a fit. I tend to agree with your idea, but I don't think it would work - even though it is a simple concept.
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Originally posted by tulipgirl67
[br]When the cars no one wants are blocking the front of the line, why don't you guys just "walk the line" until you reach a car going to your destination instead of standing there waiting for the line to come to you?
Standing there (regardless of whether you really need two separate lines for 14th & 18th) just kills the whole idea behind slugging--effiency.
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Posted By: cin
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2004 at 11:20am
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I don't slug to DC but to Rosslyn. The Rosslyn/CC/Pentagon line was recenly split into three separate lines for much the same reason. If you read the comments posted about that change, some people are happy with it, others are not. Any way you end up with, you are not going to satisfy everyone. I slug everyday rather than drive and as long as I can get up and down the road, I'm happy. This is not a "personalized limo service" we have here so in my opinion sometimes we have to be inconvenienced - that's part of slugging whether we like it or not!!! I do agree an extensive survey should be done before making any changes and not just the decision of a few people who don't like things the way they are - we're all in this together with one goal - to get to and from work!
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Posted By: pb1974
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2004 at 7:49pm
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Yes, I agree that there is going to be inconvenience no matter what you do, and that you can't please everyone all of the time. But in no way is anyone talking about anything near a personalized limo service. Like you said, we just want to get to and from work...but we'd like to do so as effectively and efficiently as possible.
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Posted By: cin
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2004 at 11:55pm
Maybe I shouldn't have used personalized limo service, but from what I'm reading, sounds like some people can be just plain lazy. They don't want to walk to get to a car that has a driver kind enough to take them in!?!?!?!?! I guess I just don't understand then. I have been slugging since March 2000, and I am thankful every day that I can get a ride to and from work even if it means I have to walk a few feet to get in a car!!! If the slug line is long and the car line is long, then shame on those lazy bums at the front of the line who can't walk a few feet to get in a car. Maybe a "rule" needs to be added to the Etiquette and Rules Section on this.
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Originally posted by pb1974
[br]Yes, I agree that there is going to be inconvenience no matter what you do, and that you can't please everyone all of the time. But in no way is anyone talking about anything near a personalized limo service. Like you said, we just want to get to and from work...but we'd like to do so as effectively and efficiently as possible.
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Posted By: Fite
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2004 at 11:29am
Hell just have 18th or 14th be at Potomac Mills only. There just isn't room to make a seperate line at Horner.
IRT cin
I get what your saying but if everyone just starts walking back to the cars then the car line will never move up and off of Telegraph. I don't mind walking because that means that I get a ride faster. But what are ya gonna do. I guess the is just no real good way to do this
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