HOT takes over HOV
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Topic: HOT takes over HOV
Posted By: mroyal
Subject: HOT takes over HOV
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2003 at 4:32pm
If you haven't already, have a look at this unsolicited PPTA proposal.
http://virginiadot.org/business/ppta-I-95HotLanes.asp
Kindest Regards,
mroyal
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Posted By: jerryclapham
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2003 at 8:24am
Thanks for posting this HOT proposal. THis is something the Slugging community needs to keep an eye on. It will be too easy for the politicans to take the easy way out (Private financing vs Taxes) to solve Northern VA traffic problems. In the end the public (commuters) will pay for it. Either throught taxes or tolls.
Jerry
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Posted By: Bob
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2003 at 8:24am
I downloaded and studied the entire set of documents. In a nutshell, this would be an unmitigated disaster for current 95 HOV users. There will be a massive bottleneck at the Springfield interchange in the morning because the HOV/HOT would go down from three lanes to two. There is nothing in the proposal to ever widen the lanes inside the beltway because there is no room. The authors are obviously trying to pull one over on us when they imply that this won't be a problem because most of the toll people would just exit at Springfield. What a joke.
The first phase would take our existing facility and ruin it by taking away one shoulder and making three lanes and a shoulder on the east side. The second phase would add connections to supposed future HOV lanes on the Beltway. They dont give a schedule and their schedule diagram is such that you cannot read the years. The third phase would be to build HOV/HOT down to Rte 17. This would be years and years down the road, probably giving them time to back out after it becomes obvious that it has fouled up HOV.
Bob
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Posted By: JiggaJynx
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2003 at 9:10am
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Great. The Metro section of this morning's Post contains yet another article that seems to be an advertisement for HOT lanes rather than an unbiased report. I'm surprised, because Katherine Shaver has the byline. Anyway, the article seems to be of the "bandwagon" ilk: everybody else likes the idea (including environmental groups, according to Ms. Shaver), so why don't we all just jump on the bandwagon?
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Posted By: GeeseAreGood
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2003 at 1:52pm
$4.00 sounds like a good guess (or a Good Goose!), but I do not think $4.00 will be enough to keep folks out. Of course the rule is that they would close the Hot lanes to the Hot cars, but would thins include the HOV traffic.
So, you pull over your car and pick up riders and then go to get on the HOV lane and they say the lanes are closed and you set your @$$ with your $!ug$ in the slow lanes. This would be BS. But it could happen, it would be the end of slugging and the begining of something new and adulturated.
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