HOV HYBRID exemption
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Topic: HOV HYBRID exemption
Posted By: billybaru
Subject: HOV HYBRID exemption
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2012 at 4:24pm
SB 209 HOV lanes; extends sunset provision on use by vehicles with clean
special fuel license plates.
SUMMARY: HOV lanes; use by vehicle with clean special fuel
license plates. Extends until July 1, 2013, the sunset
on use of high-occupancy vehicle (HOV) lanes by vehicles bearing clean special fuel license plates,
regardless of the number of occupants.
I am against this proposal. All vehicles using 395 HOV lanes should be three +
occupant regardless of their clean fuel plates. The effort would take two
additonal cars off of the HOV lanes. Reducing traffic should be one goal and promotng carpooling should be the other goal. This extension does not accomplish either.
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Posted By: RetiredMarine
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2012 at 9:22am
Posted By: NoSUV
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2012 at 3:49pm
quote:
Originally posted by billybaru
SB 209 HOV lanes; extends sunset provision on use by vehicles with clean
special fuel license plates.
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I am against this proposal. All vehicles using 395 HOV lanes should be three + occupant regardless of their clean fuel plates. The effort would take two additonal cars off of the HOV lanes. Reducing traffic should be one goal and promotng carpooling should be the other goal. This extension does not accomplish either.
A better proposal would be to eliminate all but buses. That would take 13+ cars off the express lanes during peak commuting hours. Why the half measure?
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Posted By: smithma
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2012 at 7:06pm
A better proposal would be to eliminate all but buses. That would take 13+ cars off the express lanes during peak commuting hours. Why the half measure?
Dude - give it a break. When and your SOV Hybrid gets out of the HOV it will be a better place. Your hybrid gets 35mpg/person on the highway. My car with 3 people gets 65mpg/person on the hwy.
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Posted By: scottt
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2012 at 12:09pm
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Can we please STOP POKING THE TROLL?
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Posted By: NoSUV
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2012 at 12:26pm
quote:
Originally posted by smithma
A better proposal would be to eliminate all but buses. That would take 13+ cars off the express lanes during peak commuting hours. Why the half measure?
Dude - give it a break. When and your SOV Hybrid gets out of the HOV it will be a better place. Your hybrid gets 35mpg/person on the highway. My car with 3 people gets 65mpg/person on the hwy.
My hybrid gets an average of 40 mpg ALL THE TIME. You only get 65mgg/person when you have 3 people in it. Do you ever have less than 3 people in it?
What about the polution factor. According to and article in the Post, you need to be HOV-5 to match. Does your car take 5 people 100% of the time?
When you and your fellow polluters and gas guzzelers get hybrids, then - and only then - will the express lanes during peak commuting hours be a better place
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Posted By: NoSUV
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2012 at 12:28pm
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Originally posted by scottt
Can we please STOP POKING THE TROLL?
Hey scottt!
Back in the day you wanted to debate the cost effectiveness of a hybrid. You insisted that the battery would fail and it would be hard to make payback. I think I had 70K miles back then and had already broken even. Now I'm at 150K miles and on the same battery. How's that crow taste?
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Posted By: scottt
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 11:59am
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Sorry, following my own advice.
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Posted By: RetiredMarine
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 7:56am
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Just looking forward to the HOT lanes so the Hybrids will either pick up or pay.
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Posted By: Jody
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 10:47am
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In the 12 years they've been given the HOV exemption, I've never seen one hybrid driver pick up at the Circuit City lot in Springfield or the 19th St. slug line. I don't plan to take a ride from them and I hope other riders think twice about giving them a quick (and free) commute into DC.
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Posted By: NoSUV
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2012 at 8:34am
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Originally posted by scottt
Sorry, following my own advice.
Ah..so you LIKE crow!
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Posted By: NoSUV
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2012 at 8:35am
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Originally posted by Jody
In the 12 years they've been given the HOV exemption, I've never seen one hybrid driver pick up at the Circuit City lot in Springfield or the 19th St. slug line. I don't plan to take a ride from them and I hope other riders think twice about giving them a quick (and free) commute into DC.
Jody,
How many hybrids do you see PARKED at the Circuit City lot? Makes you think...
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Posted By: RetiredMarine
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2012 at 11:39am
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Can't speak to the Circuit City lot, but the 610 lot in Stafford has at least 20 a day.
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Posted By: Jody
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2012 at 12:59pm
To NOSUV -- I haven't seen any at the Springfield Plaza lot where I park nor have I seen any parked at the front of the Circuit City lot where the lines are for 14th St or Memorial Bridge.
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Posted By: ETC
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2012 at 1:20pm
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I've seen one in the Springfield Plaza lot -- a light blue one. Took me by surprise because it had a CF plate.
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Posted By: HOVME
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2012 at 8:27am
HOT lanes will stop just north of Springfield and the VA General Assembly has overwhelmingly passed SB 209, with an amendement to strike the expiration date, so don't hold your breath.
HOVME
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Posted By: Jody
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2012 at 4:19pm
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The only hybrid drivers that benefit from the HOV lanes & don't have to worry about the toll are ones that live inside the beltway (Edsall to DC and vice versa). Hybrid drivers who live further south will have to pick up riders to avoid paying the toll. I don't think any of them want to pay a toll from Fairfax, Prince William, Loudoun, or Stafford counties.
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Posted By: HOVME
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 3:30pm
I agree for Prince William, Loudoun, or Stafford counties, but it depends on where in Fairfax County. For example, the Springfield slug lines are only a couple miles south or where HOT will end, with hybrids still eligible for all the remaining HOV to DC. I doubt you would see many hybrid drivers bother with the Springfield slug pickups just to save for that limited distance.
HOVME
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Posted By: NoSUV
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2012 at 11:36am
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Originally posted by Jody
The only hybrid drivers that benefit from the HOV lanes & don't have to worry about the toll are ones that live inside the beltway (Edsall to DC and vice versa). Hybrid drivers who live further south will have to pick up riders to avoid paying the toll. I don't think any of them want to pay a toll from Fairfax, Prince William, Loudoun, or Stafford counties.
Jody - if the basic assumption of many slugs is that people paid the higher (than conventional car) cost of a hybrid to commute alone, then what makes you think that hybrid owners wouldn't just pay the toll?
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Posted By: Jody
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2012 at 3:08pm
Fluor has already said they will raise the toll during peak rush hours to control the traffic on the HOT lanes. Along with higher fuel prices, cost of living in this area, hybrid owners want to cut costs too.
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Posted By: HOVME
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2012 at 9:03am
Since this thread started with a discussion of SB 209, here is an update. Both houses of the Virginia General Assembly have overwhelmingly passed SB 209 and its companion legislation, HB 85, as amended. The amendment was to remove the expiration date for hybrids on HOV.
HOVME
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Posted By: HOVME
Date Posted: 14 May 2012 at 10:14pm
NEW LAW FOR HYBRIDS ON HOV LANES
With proper tag, hybrids can use lanes until further notice
Per Virgina DMV: "Under a new law approved by the General Assembly and signed by Gov. Robert F. McDonnell, drivers of hybrid vehicles may continue to use the high occupancy vehicle (HOV) lanes on Interstates 66, 395, 95 and the Dulles Toll Road during rush hours, provided they have the required clean fuel license plate.
The new law leaves the hybrid exemption open-ended rather than providing a one-year extension as in previous years. This means that hybrids with the approved clean fuel tag (issued before the required dates below) can continue to use the HOV lanes until further notice."
HOVME
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