Can I Reject a Rider?
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Topic: Can I Reject a Rider?
Posted By: Admin
Subject: Can I Reject a Rider?
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2002 at 10:39am
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I received the following question from a fellow slugger recently and wanted to hear the comments and opinions from the slugging community. My thought was that a driver had the option of who they picked up just as a rider has the option of rejecting a ride. It was also my understanding that drivers could pull a "friend" out of line and was not obligated to take the first person in line. Please read the following and post your comments. The original email was: I was also under the impression that a driver had the ability to reject riders. For instance, if you know a rider who likes to put makeup on in your car or is drinking coffee without a travel lid, you can ask them either to not do it or reject taking them. Is that true? Also, I know a couple of people who regularly go my direction and they will pick me out of the line because I know them (e.g. same with friends etc.). Technically, that's taking a ride out of turn but does it count if you know these people and they wish to give you a ride? I've done it before but I feel like I'm committing a huge snafu but I don't want to hurt their feelings either. |
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Posted By: Cas
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2002 at 11:25am
| The driver absolutely has the same right as the rider. It is understood that if a driver does not want to pick up a particular rider, that action is accepted among the sluggers, just as it is accepted that riders may decline a driver. By the way, both examples given in the e-mail sent to you are more than valid reasons for rejecting a rider, however, even if the reason would be minor to another person, it is still the driver's decision. If he/she doesn't like someone for any reason, it is the sole decision of the driver - just as it is for the rider. With regard to pulling a friend out of line, I have no problem with it because it happens so infrequently. If, on the other hand, this type of pulling from the line was more frequent, it would undermine the current success of the slugging system. |
Posted By: Macey
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2002 at 11:40am
| I agree with Cas, but would like to add one thing -- if, as this person who e-mailed you seemed to be saying, he or she is being picked up REGULARLY, then why not arrange to meet somewhere else in the parking lot? If they don't want a permanent situation, all it takes is a phone call from the driver in the a.m. to see if this person wants a ride. You're either participating in the slugging system or you are not. These people - drivers and riders - are walking the fence. |
Posted By: RM
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2002 at 11:57am
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I agree that the driver most certainly has the right to refuse a rider. I'm a bit confused about his other question, though. When the person writes that he (or she)doesn't "want to hurt their feelings" something seems a bit off. What's the problem with saying to them the next time they are seen ("a couple of people who R E G U L A R L Y go my direction and they will pick me out of the line") that he feels uncomfortable doing it on a regular basis? For heaven's sake, any reasonble person would understand. Sounds like this person wants the best of both worlds (slugging and a regular car pool) - but such actions on a regular basis most certainly will impact the slug line in a negative way. My suggestion to this person is to wait his turn - there are no princes and princesses in the slugging system. |
Posted By: mol
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2002 at 12:09pm
| If I saw this guy or gal being pulled out of the line "on a regular basis," I would be very angry. It should not be done at all, however, on a regular basis this behavior is the height of gall. |
Posted By: 610_Slug
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2002 at 12:18pm
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It's interesting...a fellow slug and I just had a conversation concerning this topic on our ride home last night from L'Enfant to 610 with the people who picked us up. Our feeling is if we can reject rides as slugs, the driver should have the option of rejecting certain slugs. The case in point we were referring to is one particular slug who leaves from L'Enfant to 610 each night who drives everyone crazy. All the drivers know him and hate the idea that they have to pick him up. He is strange, rude, and obnoxious...and basically won't stop talking. When I have been stuck with him a couple times on the way home, I even tried the "fake sleeping bit"...but to no avail. He just wouldn't be quiet. In fact, we have a hard time just hanging out with him in line because he drives us nuts :) We told the driver that she had the option of picking up someone else in line if he happened to be there when she came by. It was basically up to her. She had no idea that she had that option...and figured she was stuck with him. We don't believe this type of thing happens often. Our feeling is if the guy realized that people didn't want to pick him up, maybe he would take the hint and make us all happy by shutting his mouth :) It's too long of a ride home to have someone driving you crazy the whole time. |
Posted By: mycroftt
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2002 at 12:33pm
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610: Maybe the driver you mention should try the "fake sleeping bit" too and obnoxo-slug might start refusing to get in her car. Mike |
Posted By: Andy
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2002 at 1:26pm
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1. No question, both drivers and riders have the right to refuse a rider, driver. 2. It is very bad form in my opinion when riders break the line to take a ride because they know the person. If it is so important that you break the line to ride with someone, then make arrangements with that person and stay out of the slug line. |
Posted By: Maylo
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2002 at 2:31pm
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Riders and drivers alike have the right to refuse a ride or rider. I would guess that more times than not, if a driver has a problem with a rider, the other slugs probably do to, but even if it was a one on one problem, it is the indiviual's choice whether to accept a rider or not. Fortunately, the majority of slugs are considerate and pleasant and this is not a huge problem. Every one I've ever talked with about slugs breaking out of turn in the line is in full agreement that this is grossly inconsiderate. I say nothing and grit my teeth because too often people who think like this will never get it and it isn't worth getting into an argument. I am not impressed with people who either think this is OK or just don't care. Either way, they are a huge smudge on an otherwise phenomenal commute system. PJ is correct that this is a first-come, first-serve system and all of these lame reasons for breaking the line are just that-lame. If someone wants to ride with another person, the slug line is not the place for them. It seems to me that it is generally the same people who do this, and thank goodness, they are in a small minority. |
Posted By: Par
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2002 at 3:07pm
| The writer of the e-mail writes "does it count if you know these people and they wish to give you a ride" referring to jumping the line out of turn. YES it "counts." (The tone here is disdain.) It is inevitable that ALL of us will at times see others that we know, are friends with, and even relatives. Can you imagine if we all felt it was OK to do this? No one is special. Like PJ says "first-come, "first-served." You can't have the best of both worlds. I am thankful that the vast majority of people simply wave and say "hi" to those they know. They don't even entertain the idea of getting into the car out of turn. |
Posted By: kortegel
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2002 at 3:20pm
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Instead of serving as an echo for what has been adequately covered in this string, I would instead offer constructive advice for dealing with the rude slug...it can be quite hard to be blunt towards someone, especially a stranger, and if you don't have the courage to speak your mind, what you may want to do is adjust your arrival time by a few minutes. Or you could simply pass the line if you see "El Rude-o" at the front and wait for some other unsuspecting victim to pick him up before you get back in line. Or you could start spreading through word of mouth that you're going to start a system in which you announce a completely awkward destination like "Smithsonian" or Washington Monument" and those in the know will get in your car knowing your true destination. If everybody in the line is as cheesed off by this guy as you are, you'd be amazed how well people can keep a secret. Kevin O. |
Posted By: 610_Slug
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2002 at 3:56pm
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After reading all these messages, it still comes down to if the slug can refuse to go with a driver, the driver can do the same. There is not much one can do when drivers come up and pull people out of line that they know. It doesn't happen all that often. Getting mad doesn't change anything. Afterall, it is a free ride. You're a guest in someone elses car. If you're a driver, and you feel comfortable with a certain slug...and you happen to see them in line, I see no reason you can't ask them to ride with you. With slugging, you can't enjoy the set time thing that you have with carpools/vanpools. There may be days that you have to wait a few minutes longer. For those that have been slugging for a long time and get to know everyone, then there is the occasion that drivers see you and ask you to ride with them. Afterall, there may be instances that they know where you work, that you're convenient to drop off, etc., etc. When I see a driver come by and occassionally pull certain slug(s) from the line, I pretty much shrug it off...and wait for the next ride :) Not a big deal. |
Posted By: rale
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2002 at 4:09pm
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Because the Forum Administrator (start of string) has aked for input concerning these situations, I would also like to chime in and say that I feel the same as the others. "Yes" to drivers have a choice when they don't like a rider and "No" to those who jump out of turn in the line because the driver knows them. I believe that over the years we as a group have become less tolerable of the jumpers and that may be why you had the impression that sluggers didn't mind those who jumped if they knew the driver. I mind, as do others I've spoken to. Some times the wait for a ride can be long and some times, when it gets close to 6pm in the evening or getting late in the morning, that jumper who came after you did could mean you not getting a ride at all (in the PM when it is close to 6pm and you've been waiting for 1/2 hour) or getting to work later than you would if you got your ride in turn. Thanks for the opportunity to voice our opinions. |
Posted By: Mit
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2002 at 4:27pm
I believe this is pretty much everyone's sentiments, however, since the Admin. asked, nothing wrong with expressing how one really feels! And it doesn't hurt if some of the offenders read how people really feel!!!!!quote: |
Posted By: Jah
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2002 at 4:32pm
I don't agree. I don't know what slug line you are in, but I often wait 20-30 minutes. Like someone else pointed out, everyone is going to know someone and if you can't play nice.... quote: |
Posted By: lotsa
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2002 at 4:37pm
| I wholeheartedly agree with everyone except 610slug (sorry). You say you see "no reason" why. I believe that is the mindset that Maylo was speaking of. No one is getting angry here. We have been asked to give our opinions. |
Posted By: Sheepish
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2002 at 11:45pm
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Speaking as a driver, and one who respects and follows the rules, I am quite surprised by some of the responses I've read tonight on this topic. Thankfully I have never had to deny a particular rider, but my understanding has always has been that both riders/drivers have the option to reject the other. What specifically surprised me is the number of comments stating that drivers shouldn't pull someone they know from the line. If you go to http://www.slugvirginia.com/slugrules.htm you'll see one of the rules stating it's acceptable. The Administrator of this site states "It was also my understanding that drivers could pull a "friend" out of line and was not obligated to take the first person in line." I have on occasion pulled a friend that I have run across from the line at the Pentagon. Whenever I've done this, I end up going to a different lot (making my drive home longer), just to be able to spend the time together. How frequently? At most, once a month. Whenever I plan to pick up someone I know, then I pre-arrange a meeting place away from the pick up line. So- Am I: "participating in the slug system" "walking the fence" "undermining the current success of the slug system" "picking up princes or princesses" "unbelievably rude"  - Gosh, I am confused!  I believe I am following, as well as not abusing, the rule. (It also bothers me that that I have had eyes boring into the back of my head unfairly!  )Seriously- I can appreciate the frustration one might feel watching another behind them in line getting pulled into a friend's car before they do, but hear me out. I get just as frustrated at the Pentagon some days as I am forced to allow car after car to merge in front of me as I make my way to the line, only to end up sitting and waiting, all because the very cars that merged in front of me took the riders I would have had. When it happens, I "shrug it off", just as 610_Slug does. So- while one might not agree with a rider taking a friend out of line, I have two sources that state it is acceptable. On the otherhand, it is up to the drivers not to exploit this rule, by using common sense and honor. To quote the following from www.slugvirginia.com : "The system works on the honor system...those without honor shouldn't be in the system." |
Posted By: Cas
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2002 at 7:21am
| I believe some of us were really addressing those folks who do this on a regular basis and that if they are going to consistently do this, they should relocate, make arrangements to meet whomever they want and not be coming to the slug line. I am a driver and a rider, and I would never "pick and choose" at a slug line. At the lot I go to, there are far more riders than drivers, and often there is a wait, and we have several people (the same people) who drive up and actually pick out by pointing at who they want - daily they do this. If you are driving you certainly have the right to choose - there is no law, however, speaking for myself, I agree with those who stated that if we all felt this way, there is no way the slugging system would work. I believe at looking at the system as a whole and how it works for the majority - not how it works for EACH individual. This is only my opinion and if a driver picks someone out - so be it - I don't want to ride with someone who doesn't want me. Thank goodness most people don't do this. |
Posted By: RM
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2002 at 8:17am
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For what it is worth--I am also both a driver and a rider, as are some of my co-workers. Among us, we previously had never discussed this, but if one of us drives up and sees a co-worker in line, we smile and wave....and take the first people in line. None of us have ever felt slighted and none of us have ever taken one of our co-workers out of line. It just simply never occurred to us. It didn't seem like the right thing to do. It does appear that there is two ways of thinking here, as Cas stated, for the individual and for the whole system. If someone wants to pick someone out of the line, of course no one can say anything about it - it's their car and their right. I never say anything and other people don't say anything - what in the world are we going to say? It is their right, but I'm with those who look at the system as a whole. Like you said, you get frustrated when people cut in front of you, but shrug it off. That's what WE ALL DO! It doesn't make the action OK. We were asked a question by the Forum Administrator and we stated what we believe. Just as you did. We are simply giving our opinion. If people want to pick and choose, they are going to do it, but they are not going to convince everyone that their actions are OK. |
Posted By: 610_Slug
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2002 at 8:22am
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Let me throw this out for discussion…. You’re standing in the D.C. line in the morning. A car drives up. You’ve driven with this person a few times in the past. You enjoy their company, they’re a good driver, and best of all, they will drop you right off in front of where you work…no walking required. They see you in line and ask you to ride with them. You’re not first person in line for that destination. What do you do? Pass up their offer, or ride with them? It will be interesting to read what everyone has to say. |
Posted By: Racee
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2002 at 8:27am
| Sheepish: What you are doing sounds just fine to me. I got the impression that this string was referring to people who do this as a matter of course. People obviously are looking at this issue differently. Although I'm with the "don't like the jumping" people - at least the slug system is working - and that is quite an accomplishment considering all of the personalities involved! |
Posted By: Joma
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2002 at 8:36am
As a driver and a rider, no question. I would pass. Life would be sweet if we could drive with whomever we liked best and get dropped right off, but how is that fair? It's not. The "fake" reasons given here to break the line are incredibly self-absorbed (but I do know people who feel that those are reasons enough.) quote: |
Posted By: Jah
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2002 at 8:40am
| Ditto what Joma wrote. I would also pass. |
Posted By: Ern
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2002 at 8:44am
| 610slug: The only way I would accept that ride is if the driver was Antonio Banderas. |
Posted By: 610_Slug
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2002 at 9:10am
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It's funny that it's mentioned here...but after 8 years of slugging from different locations, I have never seen a slug turn down a ride from a driver who called them from the line. I think I've probably stood in hundreds of lines by this point. Maybe it just happens in the lines I haven't stood in...maybe it matters where the slug line is located as to what the slugs think. Drivers pulling slugs from the line in the location that I stand every morning probably happens a couple of times a week, and I haven't really heard anyone complaining that much. I have always tried to follow "slug etiquette" and have always been polite and appreciative of each ride. If I have to wait a few extra minutes because a car came up and pulled someone else from the line, so be it. I have always gotten a ride and I have never once been stranded....even the day after a holiday. So, obvious the system works just fine. Hopefully it will stay the way it is. Where else can you get a 90-mile round trip for free? No complaints here. |
Posted By: Tilmer
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2002 at 9:25am
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In response to 610 Slug's scenario --- Not good enough reasons to be unfair to those who have already been waiting. A bit selfish in my view. I would pass. I would like to say that I slug from the Rt. 17 lot and there is a woman who comes by quite frequently who will stop on the other side of the slug line, get out of the car and motion for one (sometimes two) people that she knows to come to her car. She then swings around and picks up the first person going to her destination. Now this woman shows consideration. It takes more effort to do this instead of driving up to the slug line and pointing out who she wants. (It just reminds me so much of kindergarten.) I think this shows class. She is the only one I have ever seen do this and as far as I'm concerned I have no problem when the choosing is done in this manner. (Once in the evening I was the first in line, grabbed for the car door, since everyone in the evening goes back to the Rt. 17 lot. AS I was sitting down, the driver waved for her two friends and I was totally embarrassed because there was a baby seat and I obviously had to get out.) It's all in the way it is done. |
Posted By: DJM
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2002 at 10:48am
| I drive on average 3 times a week. A woman was at the end of quite a long line of sluggers waiting for a ride. She has ridden with me more than once to the Pentagon so she knew where I was headed. Before I came to a stop to holler out "Pentagon" she gets out of line and headed for me, waving like we were old friends and she gets in the back seat. I don't know this woman. This happened a second time. I was so taken off guard, I didn't have the nerve to say anything. One of the sluggers said that the woman does this because she is always running late. I am in agreement that the people who do this are in the minority, so as yet it does not pose a real problem and it simply isn't worth getting into an argument with such rudeness. But, I am also in agreement that we should not "endorse" line jumping. Since the question was posed, I'm glad that everyone has spoken up. It is rude and it is wrong. With respect to seeing friends, if you've been slugging for any amount of time, you are always going to be seeing friends in the slug lines. I also believe it is a bad move to pick someone out. |
Posted By: kortegel
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2002 at 1:02pm
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To answer 610's question: I would definitely pass. I see the same people all the time, and yes there are drivers that I prefer to ride with over others but I would absolutely, positively pass. Kevin O. |
Posted By: viper
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2002 at 3:49pm
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I would and have passed on this opportunity on more than one occasion. I tolerate it in others, but do not choose to do so myself. It seems to be more like car-pooling than slugging, therefore, it should take place in some place other than the slug line. |
Posted By: kortegel
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2002 at 7:40am
I hate to beat a dead horse but just this morning an offense like the one described in previous messages occurred at the Rt. 17 lot. A beat-up four-door Ford Tempo drove to the line, continued past the person who was first in line, and stopped for two ladies who were near the very back. They hopped in and the car left. Most sluggers know that the car is a regular for Rosslyn, as were the two ladies of course, but what was criminal about it was that the person waiting at the very front of the line was going there also. I hope this isn't going to be a trend!  Kevin O. |
Posted By: JT
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2002 at 8:13am
| I believe that it won't get out of hand because the vast majority of people are nicer and more considerate than those who "invade" the slug lines. If it should start excelerating, it will so impact the flow and purpose of the slug lines that I think people will get mad enough that they will begin to say something to make it very uncomfortable for them to continue. Over the years, slug participators have come together to solve all types of problems with incredible finesse and if one thing doesn't work, they band together and try something else. I've often thought that if I was ever in trouble, stranded, etc., more than any other group, I would want sluggers around. |
Posted By: nyy24
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2002 at 12:41pm
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After reading the first message I had to say to myself, "Oh, I'm not supposed to do that?" But then I read the Etiquette of slugging again. Yes, I put my makeup in the car, I'm a rider, not a driver. I'm a single mom with NO TIME, so for me it works out great! If the driver tells me not to do it, than I won't, I would totally understand. I would like to know if it's wrong? I haven't had anyone say no yet and I've been slugging for a year now. Thanks |
Posted By: Racee
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2002 at 12:50pm
| I'm a mother of three. "No time" is no excuse for putting on make-up in some else's vehicle and I don't want to have to be put in the position of telling someone to do their personal activities in the privacy of their own home. I usually say nothing and hope nothing is soiled in the car. It isn't just the risk that you will soil another's property, you are performing something that is PERSONAL in public - I don't want to see it. Get up a few minutes earlier!!!! |
Posted By: Maylo
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2002 at 1:01pm
You're kidding, right?.... Yes, it's wrong. Inconsiderate and YUK. People tend to grit their teeth rather than tell someone that they are acting (how shall I put it?) inappropriately- it's tough to do and you never know how the other person is going to act once you tell them. We're all short on time, yet we don't finish dressing in public - and that is what you are doing. quote: |
Posted By: nyy24
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2002 at 1:04pm
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Racee...Ok, would it make a driver feel better if I ask them if they wouldn't mind me putting on make-up? Sorry but, no time is my excuse, because I really don't, no matter if I leave a few minutes early or not, I usually try to put it on in my car when I'm at the commuter lot, or if the slug line is really long, I will sometimes put it on while I'm in line. Is that wrong? |
Posted By: Racee
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2002 at 1:11pm
| In my view, it is very inappropriate. You hit the nail on the head - it's an excuse, just an excuse and not a valid reason for putting make up on in public instead of getting up earlier and doing it in private. I feel very strong about this - maybe you'll get different opinions. I'm just one person. |
Posted By: Racee
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2002 at 1:15pm
| Also, as far as asking a driver if they mind - again, not considerate in my opinion because now you are putting them on the spot. |
Posted By: nyy24
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2002 at 1:17pm
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Well, that's fine, I asked if it was wrong and I appreciate your honesty, I've been putting on make-up in slug cars for a year now, not everyday, but those days when I didn't have time. I didn't realize putting on make-up was gross for other people to see. Sorry to my drivers if I offended you. |
Posted By: JT
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2002 at 1:43pm
| Although I feel the same way Racee does (others, of course, may feel differently), I'm impressed that you would even ask what others think. You seem very pleasant. You may want to get more than just a couple of opinions before you change what you are doing. |
Posted By: waterelf
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2002 at 3:46pm
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I agree that it is inappropriate for someone to put on their makeup in public, whether it's in a car or not. I don't drive that often, but have had this happen to me recently and I was not a happy camper. If you don't have time at home, wait until you get to work and go into the restroom and put on your makeup. |
Posted By: mycroftt
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2002 at 7:45am
| Application of makeup, like application of anti-fungal salves or underarm deodorants, is a matter of personal hygiene and is best performed in a private area. |
Posted By: nyy24
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2002 at 8:30am
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Wow! Sorry, I didn't realize the impact of putting on make-up. It won't happen again. Although, what I did learn in the last year of putting on make-up, most of the time sitting in the back seat, the smoothest, most comfortable ride is a Volvo. Thanks to everyone for their input. |
Posted By: jhatton1980
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2002 at 11:30am
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I don't want to see you putting on makeup anymore than I want to listen to someone fight with their spouse on a cell phone or hear someone's opinion on politics. All of these things are too personal. Also, you shouldn't make other have to tell you one something is offensive. If someone got into your car and smelled badly, would you feel comfortable telling a stranger that you are offended by them and don't want to be subjected to them for the next 40 minutes? I generally try to approach a slug car the way I would approach dinner with potential in-laws. Be polite, make small talk when appropriate, stay away from anything personal that could be construed as offensive. You wouldn't put your makeup on when you got to the dinner table would you? |
Posted By: Racee
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2002 at 11:44am
| From her last comments, I think nyy24 is convinced. I feel like we're beating the poor thing up at this point. |
Posted By: nyy24
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2002 at 12:54pm
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Thanks Racee...I'm one of those people if I'm doing something wrong or offending someone, I would like to know. With my friends, they would tell me of course. But with slugging, it's totally different, we are strangers, so yes, I felt I had to ask other sluggers their opinion if I was offending anyone because in the past year, nobody said anything. I also understand it would be uncomfortable for the driver, if I asked if it was ok. That's why I started my post, I knew everyone would be honest. |
Posted By: Maylo
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2002 at 1:19pm
| You're OK people, nyy24! |
Posted By: Patricia
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2002 at 1:43pm
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Looks like a good time for a group hug!!! Patricia Stafford/610 |
Posted By: nyy24
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2002 at 2:46pm
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Thanks for the hug!!!! I needed that. |
Posted By: dambam
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2002 at 1:09pm
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In the last few weeks, I picked up an individual who had a major case of B.O. going on. Several other people who I pick up on a regular basis also noticed. There is just no polite way of addressing this problem with a stranger. But after 3 or 4 times of having to endure the unpleasant odor, I decided enough was enough. The next time this individual asked to ride with me, I simply told them that I was not going to their destination. Hopefully, this individual will get the hint. |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2002 at 1:46pm
| Wow. That's a tough one. I would've handled it the same way. Seems too cruel for a virtual stranger to broach such a topic. |
Posted By: curtisdt
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2002 at 3:44pm
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You think that's rude? I had to tell a lady she was too big to ride in my car. I felt bad, but I had to do it. I practically had to move her arm to get to my coffee. Don |
Posted By: Tilmer
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2002 at 4:19pm
| Seems like a difficult thing to say diplomatically - or maybe it can't be. How did she react? |
Posted By: lordscarlet
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2002 at 7:47am
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OK, this is actually the reason I came to the site today. I don't know if the B.O. person and the "large" person are the same one, but there is a serious problem developing at the fledgling RT. 3 line. The early riders had a great line going, but over the past few weeks it has significantly slowed down. Upon talking to other riders and drivers it appears that not everyone has the diplomacy or heart to refuse the ride to someone for the above reasons. Instead drivers are hiding in the parking lot to wait for this individual to be picked up, waiting until later to come, or driving to RT 17 if they see the person in line. My wait has gone from 5-10 minutes to 30-60 minutes in the span of a few weeks. Should the riders take it upon themselves to inform the offending rider that they are killing our slugline or should we hope that drivers will stand up for their right to refuse a rider? |
Posted By: artplyn
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2002 at 1:21pm
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Hi all. I'm a random driver when our carpool is short, and am considering actually becoming a slug. The topic is interesting, but I think the REAL issue is that drivers have no socially accepted way to turn down a slug. Slugs easily turn down a driver, but nothing for the driver. Until something is invented, drivers will pull a slug or 'hide' rather than put up with a 'bad slug' or tell them no. By the way, since everyone says a driver can refuse a slug, that is also saying that pulling is ok (refusal of ALL in front of the selected one). |
Posted By: shelbybrynn
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2002 at 1:36pm
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I believe both slugs and drivers have the same right to refuse each other for whatever reasons they may have (i.e. bad driving, filthy car, eating in car etc.). That's what makes the system work. I know I have personally refused rides with certain drivers because they are a safety risk in my opinion. As for the cutting in line deal, that is not right and it is also downright rude. Now if the driver picks up their "friend" and still goes to the beginning of the line and takes the next person in line, I feel that that is somewhat acceptable seeing as they are still contributing to the system. Tisa Shillingburg |
Posted By: thirdbag
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2002 at 4:10pm
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I haven't read all the posts but if I were driving and saw two people I worked with in line, I would call out the exact destination, Crystal City, Rosslyn, Pentagon City, 123 14th street or whatever the final destination. I routinely slug and pick up riders for the Pentagon because RT. 3 is still in its infancy, but when I drive I always call out my destination first, then the Pentagon as a backup. Isn't that what slugging is all about? Yes, no, maybe? thirdbag |
Posted By: n/a
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2002 at 1:06pm
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As a driver, I always announce my final destination and will first seek riders to my destination when they are available (regardless of their place in line). But I am always flexible and will take the next rider in line to a central, agreed drop-off like the Pentagon. I have always tried to remember that slug riders are guests in my car. I try to accomodate the riders with a free, safe ride (even going a few extra blocks when necessary) in a clean, comfortable and quite car. But, at my discretion, riders with muddy feet, open coffee cups/food, make-up application, loud-obnoxious cell phone conversations or unreasonable destination demands are not welcome guests. Some courtesy applies to both parties. |
Posted By: tdar20
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2002 at 7:59am
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If you read previous postings about rejecting a rider, picking people out of line and the so called B.O. lady you will get all the information that you need. This was discussed at length during the late summer. Seems like it never goes away, I guess thats why slugging is so much fun!! Enjoy, some of the posts are pretty funny and thought provoking![:D] |
Posted By: Margo
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2002 at 8:21am
YES!quote: |
Posted By: Barbara
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2002 at 10:19am
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I have the utmost respect for the drivers out there who make a decision to commute more efficiently by using the HOV lanes, whether they are carpool drivers or HOV drivers. I think any driver should have the right to refuse a rider if the rider could distract the driver. I have, unfortunately, slugged with one person who wanted to talk non-stop to the driver from the 610 lot to L'Enfant. The driver did not encourage the talking, but did respond to questions with brief answers (usually 'yes' or 'no'). If the driver did not enjoy the conversation at all and wanted to reject that rider in the future, they should definitely have a right to do so. The same rationale should apply if the person snores, takes up too much room, complains a lot, talks on cellphone, won't fasten seatbelt, puts on makeup, etc. I want drivers to be as comfortable and as focused on the roadway as possible--whether I'm in their vehicle or in another vehicle. Distractions can cause accidents. If a rider is a distraction to the driver, that in itself should be reason enough for the driver to reject him or her. |
Posted By: npolastre
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2002 at 1:09pm
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Why? If it is a driver that knows him, why can't he go? I mean would you rather ride with strangers or with people you know? Nina[?] quote: |
Posted By: npolastre
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2002 at 1:15pm
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I had that happened to me. This lady got in my car, and I thought I was going to wreck with the stench she brought with her. Can you tell someone that is already in your car to get out? I would think that would be rude. Nina [8D] quote: |
Posted By: shelbybrynn
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2002 at 10:06am
quote: In response to Nina, slugging is not about riding with people you know. It is a system that works because of people being respectful to one another. If you want to arrange to ride with someone you know, you should meet them somewhere other than the slug line. It is totally disrespectful to pull people out of line. |
Posted By: mirangus
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2002 at 12:45pm
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I must disagree on this to a point. If you pull up to the line and happen to see somebody you know, then by all means, ride with them! If that happens to you by chance, that is your lucky day!! Now, if you re pulling the same people out of line day in and day out, then I would "suggest" a car pool. If that were me, I would still pull up to the slug line, because I like the freedom of being able to roll up to the line anytime I feel like it, rather than commit to a certain time to meet someone. That is just me. If I see somebody I know, they have a 50/50 chance of getting called out of line. Whatever I feel like. That's what I love about slugging, you can do whatever you want (pretty much) on your own schedule. You are committed to nothing short of basic slug etiquette, which is based on common courtesy, which I have no problem with. [ In response to Nina, slugging is not about riding with people you know. It is a system that works because of people being respectful to one another. If you want to arrange to ride with someone you know, you should meet them somewhere other than the slug line. It is totally disrespectful to pull people out of line. |
Posted By: tondalea
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2002 at 2:01pm
| I have to agree. If I were a driver and saw a friend in line, I would call them out too, but would also go to the front of the line and take 2 more. I dont mean someone that I know casually from slugging, but a real friend. |
Posted By: shelbybrynn
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2002 at 2:15pm
| The reason slugging works is because of the rules of etiquette and common courtesy. It has never been considered courteous to have someone cut in line. Haven't we been taught that since grade school? Now like tondalea said, if you see a friend in line and then still take someone from the front of the line that would be considered somewhat appropriate but to call out to someone in the back of the line just because you know them is not courteous. |
Posted By: npolastre
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2002 at 2:55pm
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You contradict yourself. Isn't a friend or family member someone you know? Of course if you need two riders, you would take the friend and the person in the front. You said it is not considered courteous to have someone cut in line but then it is ok to pull a friend out of the line? In your way of thinking, it would be rude to pull a friend too so.... Nina quote: |
Posted By: tbell511
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2002 at 3:00pm
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And you know what this subject is getting old,people can pickup who they want to pickup in their cars, you no why because it is just that THEIR CAR,I listen to some of people in the sluglines and you would think that you made the car notes, insurance and personal property taxes on these vehicles. STOP the nit picking and just RIDE! TBell |
Posted By: shelbybrynn
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2002 at 3:01pm
| If you see a friend in line and you decide to take them and NOT take someone at the front of the line, then you are breaking the rules of slug etiquette. Now if you see a friend and call them out of line AND take a person or two from the front of the line, then that is somewhat appropriate because you are still contributing to the slug system. There is no contradiction there. |
Posted By: mirangus
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2002 at 3:44pm
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"Will Call—the driver’s option to pick a particular slug not at the front of the line. This situation usually happens when a driver sees a friend in line and simply calls for that individual." The above is a direct "copy and paste" quotation from the etiquette section of this web page. According to 30 years of slugging by which (and this is just an assumption, but a pretty good one, I think) that section was based, the majority of slugs are in acceptance that every once in a while, someone sees someone they know. They then pick them up. It's really not that big of a deal. You will still need the same amount of people to ride the HOV, the line will decrease in people just the same. If someone in the front has to wait for the next ride, so be it. Nobody gets devestated, no one is heartbroken. You just shrug it off. The slug system works, and it works relatively smoothly. I don't hear too many stories of folks getting stranded, so we'll all get a ride to work/home. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I'm not denouncing anybody's. I'm just saying that perhaps there are better things to be upset over than someone being called out of line. Like the other day when somebody said they would take me to Crystal City and decided that he can't be late for his meeting at the Navy Annex and forced me to walk from there, in a skirt, in freezing temperatures. By the way he picked me up from the 17 lot in a green Jeep Grand Cherokee, so ladies, beware. |
Posted By: shelbybrynn
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2002 at 5:21pm
| I have personally seen many people get upset when people do this. It is not good etiquette. The person next in line should get the next ride and that is a basic rule of etiquette since grade school. I have turned down riding with friends of mine because it wasn't my turn in line. |
Posted By: kortegel
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2002 at 11:42am
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This issue was raised in great detail earlier this year by yours truly...so it's interesting that it has reared it's ugly head again. I've come to terms with Mirangus' opinion in that according to the "rules" it is "accepted" in that it is covered as being etiquette "compliant". However, I can't deny that I still see the long faces and hear the groans when it actually happens (but not me though -- I'm at peace with it, as I said). The issue really lies in the gray area (as they often do) of frequency. I think that for the most part, people can accept the fact that friends picking up friends ONCE IN A WHILE is acceptable. However, we all have our routines, and what is more likely to happen is a slug "crew" is more likely to be at the same place at the same time day after day after day. This creates a situation in which a driver is picking out specific riders on a DAILY basis. Is this acceptable? No it is not. When this happens, what should be done is that this group of people should be encouraged to start a carpool together, and I think that this does indeed happen in these circumstances without the need of encouragement by others. Now let's get back to the ONCE IN A WHILE part because I'm sure some of those who have already contributed to this string (names will be omitted) will say that it is NOT acceptable at ANY time, EVER. Well, let's get real for a second. I've been slugging for some time myself, and I've made quite a few friends with the other regulars. If a rapport/friendship is developed, is it realistic to expect friends to not ride together? What about co-workers -- if you saw a co-worker of yours down the line are you really going to tell me that you're going to simply pick up other people just because they're at the front of the line and give your co-worker nothing more than a consolatory wave as you drive away? If you say "yes, by God, in the name of all that is fair and true, YES...I would be that insensitive in order to maintain the spirit of fairness" then you need to get a GRIP! Up the stakes even more...can you honestly say that you would take a pass on your husband or wife if you met up with them at the slugline, but shucky-darn they're twelve slugs back? If you think that you would still say "I would honestly do that" then you need to prepare the following statement for yourself: "Sorry honey! These strangers were here first...please don't make me sleep on the couch tonight!" Now I will admit that I don't think that it is very often that family members don't ride together and need to meet at the slug line, but I HAVE seen it, so it DOES happen. My point is that if you're going to PRETEND that you are willing to act in fairness based upon your personal PRINCIPLES, then look at the examples above and ask yourself if you can truly maintain consistency in what you consider to be fair. Now remember, I don't drive...I only ride...before you read the next part... Taking a friend/co-worker/family member is PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE REGARDLESS OF PLACE IN LINE as it is a LOGICAL and RATIONAL choice. Taking one or two from the front of the line is a plus. That is a position that works in EVERY case, thus making it a true principle. K.O. |
Posted By: gg
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2002 at 11:51am
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Does this analogy fit? Say that you're at a public store and the checkout line is long. Your spouse is the clerk and sees you at the back of the line. The store won't allow the clerk to call the spouse to the head of the line. All the clerk can do is shrug his/her shoulders. gg |
Posted By: kortegel
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2002 at 12:05pm
quote: That analogy doesn't fit. Why? Because the clerk must eventually serve everyone. In a slug line, one doesn't have to give EVERYBODY a ride...just a couple. Trying to combine your example with the situation would be like saying that the clerk only has to ring up two people and go home, and chooses to ring up at least their spouse. See how that makes no sense? K.O. |
Posted By: mirangus
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2002 at 1:24pm
| Admin started a new thread on this topic in case y'all missed it. Now you don't have to take the extra step(s) to get to the fifth page of this thread... Have a great day everybody! [;)] |
Posted By: mirangus
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2002 at 1:25pm
| Uh-oh...6 pages now!! [:0] |