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   raymond - did you ever get around to reading that Post article about ethanol and how it won't work? Had much to do with stuff like insufficient quantities, soil conservation, and world hunger. But they said it better.

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NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jul 2006 at 3:33pm
	raymond - did you ever get around to reading that Post article about ethanol and how it won't work? Had much to do with stuff like insufficient quantities, soil conservation, and world hunger. But they said it better.

N_or_S_bound Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 20 May 2005 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote N_or_S_bound Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jul 2006 at 7:35am
	Who pays the advertising for the paper that ran the article? May I suggest oil companies know better than to mount a frontal assault against ethanol. Sniping, doubt-inducing potshots taken obliquely only serve to erode the mounting support for TRUE alternative fuels to feed our ever-increasing demand for energy. Insufficient quantities? Hmm, tell Brazil that. How many acres is our govt paying farmers to NOT grow certain crops...like corn? Those numbers are available, go find them yourself and become informed. Soil conservation? Agribusiness has already depleted the nutritional quotient in our soil to such an extent that "going green" in your food choices will ultimately mean "growing and rolling your own" instead of depending on AB to bring you fruits and veggies out of season. Organic backyard gardens would go a long way toward holistic approaches to a multitude of problems. Examples: exercise brought thru gardening, organic fruits and vegetables with richer nutrients, less fuel burned to ship grapes from Cuba year round. One can easily read in the geopolitical ramifications of going (and growing) local produce. World hunger? GMAB! Those most in the know on this subject know the real problem is one of distribution, not one of production. Who you going to believe? I'm thinking it's time to start thinking about how you think and what you think about. Think differently...and rationally. "Information distribution" is easily manipulated if you tell people that only certain media are to be trusted while all the while these media's bills are paid by those with ulterior motives. NoSb SOV because you can, HOV because you care!

n/a Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 17 Dec 2001 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote n/a Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jul 2006 at 8:21am
	Victory gardens! What a concept! Yes, NoSUV I read the article and several others in the Post archives; revelations of where their loyalties and affiliations lie (in the hip pockets of the petro lobbies). No I don't dismiss the science and I agree there are challenges to any new technology, but these these options have real potential, and we are good at solving problems! NoSb you are right about government farming subsidies. And there is a whole generation of tobacco farmers who sit on some of the richest farm land in the world, but have a shrinking market for their product. These farms could be converted to grow corn, soybeans or sawgrass for ethanol or biodiesel, instead of becoming the next example of suburban sprawl. Many of these crops, if rotated properly, could replenish farm soil nutri-content. If only there was a market for it, instead our government pays subsidies to farmers to let their land lie fallow, artificially inflating market prices. And what about biomass? Organic consumer waste that currently feeds landfills; could be used for alternative fuels. Now there's a sustainable alternative fuel supply. These options address so many issues. See what happens when people start thinking instead of just throwing money at problems. BTW, where do you think the government incentives for hybrids comes from? Same place the farming subsidies come from; the pockets of American taxpayers! We need to stop paying to support a broken system and start think of ways to address our problems.

Wagonman Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Wagonman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jul 2006 at 5:15pm
	quote: Originally posted by NoSUV [br]Actually wagonman, we know it IS the case. Hope everyone read the article in Sunday's (7/2) Post (Outlook) about how ethanol isn't an option - the authors did the research fairly extensively. Seems that going yellow causes far more problems than it solves. And yet, there are still people who think the earth is flat and hybrids are no better than conventional vehicles. Guess we should refer to them as hybrid hating flat earth 8 track owners. Ugh, stop your misinformation campaign! Go look up the emissions ratings for the Insight (bin 5 and bin 9). Go compare a 2005 or older Honda Civic hybrid to almost and other car its size. The ones that were sold here are dirtier in a straight comparison. Do you know how many SULEV vehicles there are available out there that are just plain old gasoline vehicles? You're as bad as the ACEEE. They put out some "Green Book" for "clean" cars and some of their "superior" picks have Tier 2 bin 9 ratings! Welcome to bizarro world! They heavily weight mileage over emissions and obviously don't care about air quality. Bin 9 gets phased out next year becuase it is too dirty and the ACEEE is selecting these cars as "superior". What a load of bullpoop.