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[br]Once again misguided reporting. I have a buddy with a Hybrid and his city driving is well over 40 m


You'll decide that your previous conclusions were wrong and change ways?





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Yes, NoSUV, hybrids are popular here because of the exemption. The exemption paves the way for hybrid ownership which creates more hybrid advocates who support the exemption. Its sort of like a small tornado that feeds on itself spinning out of control and destroying everything in its path. Hybrids create a false sense of conservation for their owners which leads to apathy when hybrid owners feel that they are "helping the problem" by driving SOV; an obvious contradiction.

Bottom line is that hybrids are a bandaid, not a solution. And as long as they are allowed in the HOVs without maximizing ridership they are part of the problem.
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NoSB: Sorry, but you aren't right on this. Hybrids are only 2% of total car production. How can we get that to 100%? The demand isn't there because the more expensive technology makes it more expensive to purchase. Therefore, to make them affordable, either you need to pay more in the way of subsidy, or there must be non-financial incentives. There is a higher concnetration of hybrids in this region than anywhere else in the US. Any you know the reason why.
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They could very easily be funnelled into the city in the mainlanes since, as you point out, in stop & go traffic, they are highly "fuel" efficient and less polluting.

Substantial incentives already exist paid for by our tax dollars.

Love the benefits of hybrids? Put them where they do the most good overall---in the mainlanes. Oh, unless they have the requisite bodies for HOV participation.

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SOV because you can, HOV because you care!
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I have a feeling the lower hybrid mileage comes from driving on the highway at excessive speeds. EPA highway estimates are based on the most economical speed of 55 mph, but most people drive faster. A hybrid has to rely more on its gas engine the faster it goes, so it stands to reason its mileage performance would deteriorate at higher speeds. This very quandary was discussed at a regional government meeting I attended once.

Still, I must support allowing hybrid use of the HOV lanes -- for now -- until hybrid adoption becomes cheaper and more widespread, to serve as an incentive for taking a step that does help the environment overall. Hybrids are 90 percent less polluting than their gasoline-only counterparts, and in congested city areas they rely mainly on their electrical portion for motion. Ever hear a hybrid start up from a stoplight? It uses only electrical energy, saving the burst of exhaust (and pollution) that comes from gasoline engines.

The Toyota hybrid is called "Prius" for a reason – it represents the most prudent use of gasoline on the market, and while its highway mileage may be lacking, it more than makes up for it in its superior city performance. And what are the use of HOV lanes but to funnel people into the city?
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I have NoSUV and I will not buy a hybrid from you! I'm saving my money for a biodiesel, solar, wind powered or ethinol vehicle; renewable fuel is the answer!

BTW, Hybrids are a farce!
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Raymond - I've explained many times why I'm on this forum. Go through my postings.
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Congrats HOV3Slug, you've finally realized NoSUV has a firm (if unfounded) opinion and agenda. You can't argue with a sick mind!

Urban planners, traffic management, politicians, special interests, the media, and the vast majority of commuters agree that that the answer to our congestion, pollution and fuel consumption problems is to reduce the number of vehicles on the road. Carpooling, HOV lanes, slugging, and mass transit all achieve this. The hybrid exemption does not.

Auto manufacturers and petro fuel production companies may cite other options (including hybrid/HOV exemptions), but they usually serve their own interests.

Hybrid owners are caught in the middle; they want to do something to improve the situation but don't understand the big picture. Enter effective marketing promoting hybrids as a "green" alternative with feel-good messaging, that pushes lots of buttons. People buy hybrids; then, when they realize the true insignificance of their effort, buyers regret sets in. Oppps!

NoSUV, however, clings to the commitment with too much zeel to be a mere misstepping consumer. I agree that there is an agenda here; political, business, I don't know which, but definitely not your average commuter.

Which brings me to a question: If NoSUV does not participate in slugging, what business does NoSUV have in this forum? Hmmmmm.
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NoSUV,
Unless you are a salesman or a consultant and need your car for work, why drive to work? Even if your employer offers you a free parking space the wear and tear on your car to drive everyday just doesn’t make sense. How much does the insurance company charge to drive a hybrid 100 miles a day? Statistically speaking you’re a much greater risk to them since you have more exposure on the road.

The more you talk NoSUV, the more you sound like a Fluor employee or contractor. Your arguments on their face make no sense; therefore, you must have ulterior motives. At best you’re a selfish human being.

Hybrid because you want to stockpile fuel inventories, HOV because you want to stockpile fuel inventories, save the roads, and get to work and home faster!

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