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rodmunera
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Bottom line,
You cry about greenhouse effects and children but your agenda is, SOV for hybrids is the way to go. |
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NoSUV
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MDC - so, what FACTS did VA use in the motorcycle determination? None?
raymond - Did you have a chance to read the Outlook section in the Post on Sunday 7/2 and how ethanol is more likely to cause extinction of the human race than alternatives? Are you really against more efficient use of the resources we have? Do you really want to promote excessive greenhouse gasses by using conventional vehicles over hybrids? Do you care that little for your childern? Folks, you can keep waiting for something better, or you can get off the sidelines and DO. I know you probably don't believe that you are personally killing our planet by refusing to make environmentally sound choices. No one really wants to, which is why we may be doomed. If every car in that commuter lot was either a hybrid or an alternate fueled vehicle, I'd be more willing to belive that you really care = but you as a group and individually don't. You intentionally live miles away from your work and then complain that the commute is long; you refuse to take mass transit; and you refuse to purchase environmentally sound vehicles. It's nearly unbelievable. |
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Congrats, rod, you have been initiated! I'm sure being attacked by NoSUVs rants and raves feels more like hazing, but that's how NoSUV responds to anyone who does not see the world through "NoSUV, rose-colored" glasses. NoSUV obviously has an agenda that NoSUV will not admit to here, but instead perpetuates a self-centered and narrow-minded argument in support of SOV hybrids in the HOV lanes.
NoSUV believes that we should all support the auto manufacturers and overpay for obsolete hybrid technology that will keep us indebited to foriegn oil producing nations, instead of demanding that auto manufacturers develop renewable, sustainable fuel alternatives (the technology already exists!). NoSUV either does not understand that or will not admit that foriegn oil dependency undermines our nation's economic stability, our national security, and, oh by the way, fossil fuels pollute so much we are facing the most radical climate changes since that which caused the extinction of the dinosaurs! Wait a minute, did I just say that hybrids are contributing to the extinction of the humans? |
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MDC
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NoSUV,
I suggest you read the links more carefully. The state has to determine that safety is at risk by allowing motorcycles in HOV in order for them to disallow it. There is no provision requiring that they prove that HOV is safer. |
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NoSUV
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rod - I'm impressed by your logic. Do you have any facts to back up the rationale that HOV is safer for motorcycles? Any statistics?
After all, many on this board are hybrid bashers, even though logic as well as statistics indicate that hybrids are better for the environment as well as fuel consumption than conventional vehicles - yet still they are in denial. I'm just saying that there don't appear to be any highway statistics to back your logic. |
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rodmunera
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The basic concepts of equilibrium and inertia are applied in operating 2-wheeled vehicles. Maintaining balance is achieved by making small corrections on your position lateraly, which is impossible to do in a stationary position due to friction. Hence movement is required to maintain balance.
So speeds helps corrections in bottom/top relationship of an object. Speed and balance are directly proportional to a certain extent (barring other factors such as lower friction indexes and wind resistance), hence more speed, better balance. So let's apply our logic 101 HOV = more speed and More speed = better balance and better balance = safer rider Therefore, HOV = safer rider. Here's some information on bicycle physics: http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~fajans/Teaching/MoreBikeFiles/BikeQuestions.htm I have *got* to stop suffering fools. |
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rodmunera
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Again you stray from the point in your feeble attempt to sound enlightened or to try make others sound like fools.
The policy is to allow motorcycles on HOV for safety reasons (re-read above). I didn't write FHA policy, but from experience, I can make an educated guess as to how they would come to the conclusion that it is safer to put a vehicle that requires balance to stay upright in conditions that help balance do exactly just that - away from stop-and-go traffic. For me it's neither faith nor facts but personal experience. Don't rely on others to give you the facts, get on a motorcycle and find out for yourself. |
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NoSUV
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rod - faith or facts? Faith tends to be emotional. Facts can be twisted (figures don't lie but liers figure). But I'll be fair - show me the facts that motorcycles are safer in HOV lanes. Should be some data somewhere. Don't rely on MDC to find it for you, though.
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rodmunera
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Wow, you MUST be a lobbyist for the automobile industry: hybrid volume sale division. The use of your doublespeak to turn simple plain english into something to back up your agenda.
Let's try again shall we? Here it is the quote from the Federal Highway Administration: "The rationale behind allowing motorcycles to use HOV lanes is that it is safer to keep two-wheeled vehicles moving than to have them travel in start-and-stop traffic conditions." So the way I see it is that the difference between hybrids and Motorcycles is more than just the number of seats. It's a safety issue - one that I'm grateful for. You also say "...there is no data to prove or disprove the answer to the FAQ in the FHA link you provided..." You have obviously never ridden a motorcycle. Heck, I'm willing to venture the guess that you've never ridden a bycicle for that matter but in any event it's irrelevant to the point. Some people only hear what they want to hear. |
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NoSUV
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MDC, thanks for reinforcing my point - that there is no difference between hybrids and motorcycles except for the number of seats.
By the way, there is no data to prove or disprove the answer to the FAQ in the FHA link you provided - put that one down to wishful thinking. The answer clearly points out that it is a "rationale" - which is fairly close to "rationalization." Of course, seems that you are usually fact adverse. |
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