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NoSUV
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wagonman, I missed it with all of the data you provided - how many CF vehicles did you say you had? 1 of 2, 3 of 3?
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Wagonman
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quote: Alternative fuel pumps are open to the public. This includes the CNG, E85, and B-20. E85 was cheaper than regular gas the last time I checked but that may have changed. NoSUV- I'm pretty sure all gasoline car drivers here are using some ethanol. I use another renewable fuel in my vehicle. NoSuv- here are the ratings for your car(unless you have changed to a different one): 02 Prius NOx .2 NMOG .156 CO 4.2 PM .02 HCHO .048 all in grams/mile In contrast here is a '06 Ford Explorer with a V8 NOx .07 NMOG .090 CO 4.2 PM .01 HCHO .018 all in grams/mile So in all categories except CO a big SUV is better than your car by an order of magnitude. Get some perspective. What are you doing to clean up your car? Here's a link people might find useful: http://www.e85fuel.com/index.php |
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Sparky
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quote: I thought that civilians couldn't use the Pentagon Citgo--isn't it part of the Navy Exchange and the last time I had to get gas there, civvies were limited to buying only $3.00 of gas. |
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NoSUV
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quote: OK Wagonman, quick count - how many of you are using ethanol? Wagonman, are you? |
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Wagonman
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quote: There are more ethanol ready vehicles on the road than hybrids. Probably twice as many. E85 is available at the Pentagon Citgo. Once again, all hybrids are not cleaner than conventional cars. There are conventional cars sold in California that are cleaner than hybrids. The 2005 Insight isn't even eligible to get into the HOV lanes in California because it is too dirty. |
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NoSUV
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quote: Can't wait until it goes mainstream. I personally know of no one who owns such a vehicle, and I really don't know where the nearest (well, make that any) refueling station is. On the other hand, I know a couple of hybrid owners and where to get gas. Don't wait forever - buy a hybrid now, then buy an ethanol vehicle when more readily available. Just quit driving conventional cars UNLESS you have 3 people in them AT ALL TIMES! |
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mroyal
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Say what you will about ethanol. It's eliminating Brazils dependencies in foreign oil and building their economy in sugar production. Plus, ethanol is a renewable energy source - dinosaur goo is not.
I applaud GM's production of flexible fuel vehicles for U.S. It, at least provides us a choice and possible path to renewable energy. http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=6817 Kindest Regards, mroyal |
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dickboyd
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quote: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/02/20/8369111/index.htm http://tinyurl.com/pfycb The Tragedy of General Motors The Detroit giant is a weird, scarred combination: a car maker doing poorly, and an insurance company engulfed by its obligations. It's heading for a wreck -- which is why CEO Rick Wagoner has the toughest job in business. By Carol Loomis Feb 2006 RJB comments: This is a lengthy article. Of note is that the equity held by retirees is greater than the equity held by stockholders. Perhaps the financial solution is to buy back the publicly held equity. The sales or engineering solutions pale in comparison to the funding structure. The motivation for the players to become prosperous is more pressing when they are more involved. For breakfast, the chicken is involved, the pig is committed. Stockholders play a part, but not to the extent of workers. Stockholders may be a thing of the past for GM. Of the recent articles, none have gone back in history of the negotiations for the choice for supplemental unemployment benefits vice a guaranteed annual wage. Nor have any of the articles commented on the part government should play in deferred compensation. Compensation which, when called "fringe benefits" becomes subject to exploitation by the greedy. Note fringe benefits are not to be confused with "french benefits". French benefits were fried long ago, hence the term french fries. [:D] dickboyd@aol.com |
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Sparky
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For your reading pleasure:
From: http://www.hybridcars.com/blogs/hybrid-daze/greenisblackisyellow _________________________________________ So now that hybrids and other alternatively powered vehicles are hot, so is the color green. Civic Hybrid commercials feature flowers and little critters. Ford is now featuring Kermit the Frog. Of course, if you are one of the people trying to ruin GM, then you would come up with the idea of pushing yellow (for corn) instead of green. The company recently launched an ad campaign based on the tag line, "Live Green, Go Yellow" in the hopes of tapping into the E85 (ethanol) hype. They even made an online game that allows you to drive through the subsidized cornfields of Iowa. (try not to kill the chickens in the field or Pam Anderson'll come after you) One wonders if the folks at GM know that there are only 600 E85 fueling stations in the US and almost 200 of them are Minnesota. This whole green is yellow and E85 is our opportunity is emblematic of the utter hell that GM is locked into (see Fortune's recent piece, "The Tragedy of General Motors,") and underscores the need for the company to accept reality and go bankrupt. From Fortune Magazine: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/02/20/8369111/index.htm One Wall Streeter deeply familiar with the company recently stated the challenge starkly: "I would say that turning GM around is a harder logistical and managerial task than the invasion of Iraq." |
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Sparky
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quote: Excuse me. If this is the case, why did GM kill off the electric vehicles that folks were test-driving in California. Wouldn't let the people keep them. Let me guess--they landed in a landfill. Don't you think your interests would be better served if you WORKED with hybrid drivers? With this kind of split going on, no wonder HOT lanes are inevitable. See how much you like slugging then. And before you jump all over me, let me tell you that I'm a former slugger, present hybrid driver who held off driving SOV for two years until the commute got too bad in the regular lanes. |
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