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Bob
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Question. What is the legal aspect of converting a taxpayer-paid road such as 395 from public access to toll? Obviously a different situation from the beltway proposal to add new concrete. A driver told me today that it cannot be done legally.
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SpongeBob
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(I can't let this thread die... it's taking over my life....)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the road does not become a private road; it is still a public thoroughfare. But how public is it when a private company does the following (word for word from the Fluor presentation, by the way,) "Fluor proposes to: Plan-Design-Finance-Construct-Operate & Maintain The BRT/HOT Lanes System Project at NO COST to VDOT, who remains the Owner" Well, if a company invests that much in a project, do you think they're going to walk away in a few years? Especially if they're making money? And if they're not making money, don't you think they will appeal to the state for a fare increase? After all, look at the huge investment they made. What legislature would tell Fluor or Clark to hand over the lanes? Or lower the prices? The price will NEVER go down. It will NEVER go away. The HOV lanes you use now in the evening and on the weekend for free, will COST YOU. Whether VDOT owns the road or not. |
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Admin
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Here is the Fluor proposal that was briefed to the PWC Board of Supervisors:
Large pdf file: http://www.slug-lines.com/hot/fluor_hot_document.pdf |
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Bob
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On another thread, someone was talking about how the maintenance on the HOV is so bad, then why not do HOT? Actually, as I was stuck on the HOV lane the other morning, I wonder if VDOT is letting the condition of the HOV deteriorate on purpose so everything will get so horrible that the only alternative is HOT! I guess I am just too cynical and paranoid. But seriously, VDOT really doesn't care about our current HOV backups. Has anyone heard or read a single word about the HOV situation? Any discussions of HOV 4 or any other recommendations are just from slugs. The authorities act like they are completely helpless.
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dickboyd
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If you have enough money to build light rail to Stafford, a better investment would be to build office buildings in Stafford and have the people that live in Stafford, work in Stafford. One answer might be to give Stafford County a DC Post Office and ZIP code identification.
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dickboyd
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Be careful of what you ask for, you just might get it. Capacity means full. It won't hold anymore. When is a glass of water full? When one more drop causes it to overflow? Or when there is enough slosh room for the waitress to balance the glass on a tray and carry it to the table without spilling.
To a traffic engineer capacity means adding one more car changes the road to a parking lot. Speed at capactity is about 70% of free flow speed. Breakdown happens one day in twenty. Clearing time after breakdown can be one hour or two days. quote: dickboyd@aol.com |
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dickboyd
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Close the Pentagon. Move the military to Yuba County, California.
Close FHWA's Turner-Fairbanks research station. Move Federal Highway research from state to state on a rotating basis. First state to get the honor is the one with the highest crash mortality per capita. Hihgway research stays there until crash mortality drops. Run the Federal government like they run the Olympics. Most State governments are part time anyway. Move the meeting place for Congress from one state capitol to another. Alaska would be the first state to host the new federal government. After that there would be a lottery. Losing state gets to host the feds. The Supreme Court, Congress and the head of the executive department could not be in the same state at any one time. Allow Congressmen and Senators to be in only three places. Their home district, the appointed capitol, or travelling between those two places. Maximum travel time 48 hours. Elected members of the Executive department could only be at the appointed capitol, state funerals, or international conferences. quote: dickboyd@aol.com |
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Yep, it can't be done legally. So change the law. Just find another Juliette Lowe bill and add a rider to allow conversion of public roads to the private sector.
Isn't anyone interested in knowing who Kenny Klinge is? quote: dickboyd@aol.com |
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wmcg698220
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quote:If HOT lanes were to become a reality...how long till they were operational? Months? Years? |
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SpongeBob
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Dear wmcg698220:
We are talking about toll booths being added to the lovely Shirley Highay corridor beginning in about 13 months. Goodbye Slugs! Nice to know you! See you in the traffic jam! Sponge B. |
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