SUV vs Hybrid

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   Informal survey of slugs is that most own a SUV. Have to question the bias against the environment - no wonder there is such anti-Hybrid sentiment!

	Not sure that kicking Hybrids out of HOV lanes is going to solve the OVERALL congestion problem. If population in the area increases, and jobs in DC increase, then congestion with or without Hybrids remains a problem. Possible solution is to make it illegal for ANY gas guzzler to be on the interstate. That solves both the congestion and pollution problem.

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NoSUV Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NoSUV Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: SUV vs Hybrid Posted: 14 Jan 2005 at 9:40am
	Informal survey of slugs is that most own a SUV. Have to question the bias against the environment - no wonder there is such anti-Hybrid sentiment! Not sure that kicking Hybrids out of HOV lanes is going to solve the OVERALL congestion problem. If population in the area increases, and jobs in DC increase, then congestion with or without Hybrids remains a problem. Possible solution is to make it illegal for ANY gas guzzler to be on the interstate. That solves both the congestion and pollution problem.

Subaru Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 19 May 2004 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Subaru Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jan 2005 at 10:33am
	Hybrids having only 1 person and not 3 certainly doesnt help anything. -Rob

SpongeBob Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote SpongeBob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jan 2005 at 12:04pm
	Hey NoSUV: my old 4Runner gets about the same mileage as a Taurus and I need it for both my job and my volunteer work. Informal survey by the Sponge: most high-bred owners are self-righteous anti-social nits who only bought their cars to drive solo on HOV and couldn't really care less about the "environment." How's that for stereotyping? If, as you baldly assert, most slugs own SUV's, then ain't we nice? Slugs leave their cars in parking lots and share a ride to work... what do you share besides your ill-informed opinion? Finally, congestion is created by vehicles, not passengers. A van with six passengers takes up about the same roadspace as a Prius. Solo drivers of any kind do not belong in HOV lanes.

MDC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MDC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jan 2005 at 3:50pm
	NoSUV, How come the Acura MDX gets lower emissions than most of the hybrids (most are still Civics)? It's an SUV and has a V6 even. What's up with that? Don't those hybrid owners care about the environment?

USA Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 06 Jun 2002 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote USA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jan 2005 at 5:29pm
	It sounds to me like SpongeBob is being hypocritical at best in calling hybrid owners "self-righteous." Don't you think you're being pretty damn self-righteous in your condemnation of the hybrid owners? (I will give you kudos, however, for using the phrase "couldn't care less" correctly, as opposed to the popular idiotic oxymoron "could care less.") I'm not saying there shouldn't be a debate, but flame wars accomplish nothing productive for either side. (Edited because of a typo.)

gj Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 19 May 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote gj Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jan 2005 at 11:59am
	Re: "Informal survey of slugs is that most own a SUV". Where did you come up with that? By asking sluggers? Just wondering, because an informal scan of the commuter lots shows that most vehicles parked there are not SUVs. gj

hurelycove Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote hurelycove Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2005 at 2:37pm
	I drive an SUV because it does everything I need without having to own two vehicles. I use it for towing my trailer and boat, taking trash to the landfill, going to WV, driving in mud/snow, you name it and I also have to use it to go to work and I pick up two people every day or meet people at the lot. It's a V6 and gets same mileage as most med size cars. Bugs me when people knock SUVs without really knowing the people who drive them. You can't even get out of my driveway in the winter without 4WD... [:D]

SpongeBob Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 06 Oct 2004 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote SpongeBob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 Jan 2005 at 10:30am
	USA, this whole thread is a flame war! Look at it! And, no, I am not being hypocritical. Condemnation is not hypocrisy unless one has committed the sin one is condemning. You can say I'm being unpleasant, or rude, or stupid, mean, inconsiderate, abrasive, aggressive, unhelpful, or downright wrong, but you cannot say that I am being hypocritical. Most of the time on this board I try to be trustworthy, brave, helpful, clean, reverent, etc., but the Smugs are out of control. My God, you'd think each one had personally saved the planet! I'm not perfect, either, but I have worked as an environmental activist, and I have walked the walk. I have also studied global warming and worked to alleviate it. What I learned is that Slogans are Easy, Reality is Hard. The consequences of behavior are far more complex than the simple solutions proferred by massive international auto corporations painting themselves Green and offering you a brush to do the same. The big companies want you to think that pollution is somehow YOUR fault, that the solution is to change the habits of consumers. Meanwhile, businesses spend millions lobbying against pollution laws, and a single soot-belching dumptruck does more environmental harm in one week than all the gas a hybrid owner saves in a year. There is nothing wrong with trying to be part of the solution, but to act like a holier-than-thou clean air purist, as Smugs do, hiding their selfish actions behind the facade of "environmentalism"... now THAT is hypocritical.