Hybrids ! Get them off the HOV lanes !!

Message Topic Search Topic Options Post Reply Create New Topic Printable Version Translate Topic

   I have seen a lot of complaining lately about Hybrids on the HOV lanes.   VDOT says thet 4% of cars on the HOV's are alternative fuel vehicles.    Well my count sometimes says the number is closer to 10-15% and rising !   These cars are causing the HOV lanes to backup.  What's next ???? Free parking for Hybrids ??   No Registration required ??? Skip to the front of the line at Starbucks ???    Help us do away with this problem.  Write or email your state representatives, senators, delegates, even the Governor, etc.....   Tell them to get these vehicles off our HOV lanes !!  Unless of course they pick up a few riders [:)]

	Virginia State Senators-- http://sov.state.va.us/SenatorDB.nsf/$$Viewtemplate+for+WMembershipHome?OpenForm

	Virginia House of Delegates -- http://dela.state.va.us/dela/MemBios.nsf/MWebsiteTL?OpenView

	Governor Warner -- http://www.governor.virginia.gov/Contact/Contact.html

	Virginia Congressional Delegation -- http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal/government_881/government_1046/officials_1355/congressional_1351/index.html

	Ron

Author	Message Topic Search Topic Options Post Reply Create New Topic Printable Version Translate Topic
ronsray Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 16 Jan 2002 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote ronsray Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Hybrids ! Get them off the HOV lanes !! Posted: 06 Jul 2004 at 2:49pm
	I have seen a lot of complaining lately about Hybrids on the HOV lanes. VDOT says thet 4% of cars on the HOV's are alternative fuel vehicles. Well my count sometimes says the number is closer to 10-15% and rising ! These cars are causing the HOV lanes to backup. What's next ???? Free parking for Hybrids ?? No Registration required ??? Skip to the front of the line at Starbucks ??? Help us do away with this problem. Write or email your state representatives, senators, delegates, even the Governor, etc..... Tell them to get these vehicles off our HOV lanes !! Unless of course they pick up a few riders [:)] Virginia State Senators-- http://sov.state.va.us/SenatorDB.nsf/$$Viewtemplate+for+WMembershipHome?OpenForm Virginia House of Delegates -- http://dela.state.va.us/dela/MemBios.nsf/MWebsiteTL?OpenView Governor Warner -- http://www.governor.virginia.gov/Contact/Contact.html Virginia Congressional Delegation -- http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal/government_881/government_1046/officials_1355/congressional_1351/index.html Ron

ScarletLSG Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 27 May 2004 Location: HI Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote ScarletLSG Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jul 2004 at 3:40pm
	Ron, I disagree with you on your numbers. They Hybrid % is MUCH lower than the ILLEGAL violator percentage. Every morning I keep a count and the number of law breaking violators is generally upwards to 40% of the vehicles in the HOV lanes. This morning alone, I saw 5 cars exit to the regular lanes through the emergency/police only openings. I'm guessing that they heard through radio traffic reports of an exit that had police waiting for them to come through. At the SAME time during my morning commute, I only counted a total of FOUR vehicles with the CF plates ... to include those with personalized plates. The backups aren't caused by the Hybrids ... they are caused by the paranoid violators. Appreciate the links though. I made good use of them. ScarletLSG

pplmvrs Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 24 Jun 2004 Location: va Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote pplmvrs Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jul 2004 at 4:09pm
	Most of the cars I noticed with just one person in them were actual violators, not Hybrids. I do not think that Hybrids are the number one reason for congestion on the HOV. Alot of back ups happen when people stop to look at police that have pulled people over or people who are violating slow down and switch lanes whenever they see a police car.

tdar20 Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 29 Jul 2002 Location: va Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote tdar20 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jul 2004 at 9:46pm
	Got to agree that the violators pose a much greater problem. Yes there are a lot of Hybrids but until the law is changed, and it does not look like it will anytime soon, they are legal. Better to focus on the real issue, the violators out there.

jc9 Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 25 Jul 2002 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jc9 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 2004 at 12:11pm
	I have to disagree with the recent posts and say that when I travel on HOV, I usually notice more hybrids that violators. But to be honest, I don't think that's the issue...It's not - which group is causing the more congestion than another - it's that ANY cause for congestion that CAN be fixed, SHOULD be fixed. Hybrids should have to meet the HOV-3 restriction just like other commuters...this will reduce the overall number of cars on the road. Period. Why are there any exceptions in the first place? It's ridiculous, and I will be writing letters. Thanks for the contact info ronsray.

MDC Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 04 Dec 2002 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote MDC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 2004 at 12:20pm
	The number of violators between 6:30AM and around 8:45 is not even close to the number of cars with "CF" plates. From what I've seen, most of the violators during that time are Hybrids without the required plates. In total numbers, there probably more cheaters than hybrids, but they don't account for congestion that lingers until 8:00AM some days. Congestion is far worse and more common than it was two years ago, and I think there were more cheaters back then.

ScarletLSG Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 27 May 2004 Location: HI Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote ScarletLSG Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 2004 at 12:39pm
	MDC, I too have seen MANY Hybrids without the required plates and I count them in my "violator" count. The law specifically states that the Hybrid car in the HOV lanes MUST have a registered CF plate ... can be personalized, but must have the symbol. ScarletLSG quote: Originally posted by MDC [br]The number of violators between 6:30AM and around 8:45 is not even close to the number of cars with "CF" plates. From what I've seen, most of the violators during that time are Hybrids without the required plates. In total numbers, there probably more cheaters than hybrids, but they don't account for congestion that lingers until 8:00AM some days. Congestion is far worse and more common than it was two years ago, and I think there were more cheaters back then.

Subaru Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 19 May 2004 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Subaru Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jul 2004 at 10:08am
	This morning as I approached the exit to the pentagon. I was sittin in the long line to get off ( around 650 ) and I counted 19 Hybrids. I see the few cheaters. But Hybrids def. out number the cheaters around that time. I see more cheaters at night when going home around 345- 4.

pplmvrs Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 24 Jun 2004 Location: va Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote pplmvrs Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jul 2004 at 10:10am
	I agree with Scarlet..when I said that I see more violators than Hybrids, I was talking about Hybrids with CF tags, those without are just violators like all the others.

vabigblue Members Profile Find Members Posts New Slug Joined: 16 Jul 2003 Location: VA Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote vabigblue Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Jul 2004 at 11:08am
	quote: Originally posted by pplmvrs [br]I agree with Scarlet..when I said that I see more violators than Hybrids, I was talking about Hybrids with CF tags, those without are just violators like all the others. Are hybrids without CF tags cheaters? I assumed hybrids were hybrids and they all counted as being legal on HOV lanes. I even see out of state hybrids cruising along without a care.